[Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
kamesh_ccmb at yahoo.co.in
Sun Jan 31 07:07:56 CST 2016
Sir's, It is very difficult to any body to talk or comment on this question as most of the people has not reached up to that stage, but according to scriptures, debate is okay and discussions are good.
But my view is that, One needs guru to pass these hurdles or to get the light in the path where you don't have any idea ( I mean to cross the vaitarini river). Guru one of the forms of God stays in between the thoughts and initiate the though process and makes you to travel or walk across the samsara easily with out any difficulty. One may do that with out that also but many pitfalls and hardles are there in the way. if one wants to know the self then I fell guru is necessary, with out that it is very difficult to realize the self. Then Question arises who will be that God who is in the form of Guru?It can be your Mother who has given this body, Father who has given this opportunity to you and spend is valuable time to raise you and made you to become like this. Another person is Teacher who taught you the basics and ethics of the life.
If some one ask a question who is best among them, then it is a syndrome. An individual can only know who is that and it is the 'Bhava" only , i means anubhava. One has to know that through experience.
One needs to do worship the god who exsists in these forms , then he will come to know the purpose and value of worship. Then question whom to worship and how do that ?One needs to worship the own mother with the childish attitude and serve the father with 'dasya brava' and worship the guru with 'Atma Nivedana'.
Worship becomes Impossible with out understanding the nature of God. One can not understand this through sense organs and by the means of knowledge. Some times knowledge leads avidya.
Then What are different modes of worship according to Bhagavatam:There exists 9 (nine ) modes of worship." Sravana Kirtanam Vishunoh Smaranam Padasevanam Archanam Vandanam Dasyam Sakhyam Atma Nivedanam"
It means by Listening to the glories of god (Ramayana, mahabharata), chanting his glories (like sauna Ka di muni's), Remembering always in our thoughts (e.g Bhagavatottama prahlada), Serving the god (like lakshmana), keeping Dasya profession (like Hanuman), Intense friendship (arjuna to krishna), Giving all the materialistic things which are acquired in the life (like Bali chakravarthi).
I know many acharya's are there in the list who are having great knowledge regarding vendenta, it can only tell any body the purpose of worship.
This is purely my opinion & view and individuals may differ in their views.
With regardsKameswara Rao
On Sunday, 31 January 2016 3:53 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
Shree Ramesh Ramnan- PraNAms
Thanks for providing your perspective on the subject. Yes I am aware of Bhagavan Ramanamaharshi's teachings and have taken texts - Upadesha saara and Saddharshanam as part of two-day spiritual camp and the talks on these two texts are available on line in yu-tube.
Question is posed to see the perspective of people coming from different background since in the current system of education we do not have traditional guru-kula systems and there is also mass scale teaching and mass scale on line talks available by various teachers - some coming from sampradaya and some are not.
There is also so much misinterpretation of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's teachings too - even though he has provided some important selective slokas on Geeta.
Question-answers of Bhagavan are intended to questioners who had some specific background and within in some context and should not be applicable to all as is being done by some devotees of Bhagavan. This may be a different topic altogether, perhaps should be discussed separately.
I am planning to pose some of these challenging questions to stimulate discussions so that those who are on the path have firm conviction of the goal and the means.
On Sun, 1/31/16, RAMESH RAMANAN via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2016, 4:02 AM
Dear Sadanandaji,It is
surprising that of all persons, you should be posting this
question. But let me state Sri Ramana's views on the
subject. He says that the real Guru is not apart from
one's inner Self. The outer Guru pushes the Sadhaka
inwards into the spiritual heart, while the inner Guru pulls
the sadhaka inwards. (push and pull).
My understanding of this statement of Sri
Ramana: If the sadhaka does not feel that he is being pushed
inwards towards his inner core by the external guru, then
that external person is not really fit or sufficient to be
the Guru. Similarly, if he does not feel that he has been
pulled inward, that means, his sadhanas have been
insufficient and wrongly directed. If the chosen external
guru is not sufficient, it is not wrong to change Gurus,
as Sri Balarama Reddy had asked Sri Ramana Maharishi,
whether he could change his guru, as he had accepted Sri
Aurobindo as his Guru earlier. Sri Ramana had said very
emphatically, yes, there is no problem in changing Gurus.
So, one need not cling onto a physical guru, if he is . not
fit or sufficient to be a Guru, provided that you have lived
with him and followed and tested his teachings at least for
sometime (this time concept is a major issue). The Guru Gita
also warns that a disciple of a blind fellow will also
suffer the same fate as that of a blind fellow. Hence, one
should follow only a really qualified Guru and not an unfit
book-learned master. Sri Ramana and Sri Ramakrishna could
transmit their spiritual power to their disciples. I do not
know of any of the present day Gurus who can perform such
real spiritual miracles that transforms the lives of their
disciples for ever . Sri A.R.Natarajan of RMCL, Bangalore,
has written a very very excellent book, Ramana Maharishi-The
I would very
much like for you to read this book. You can find it at Giri
Trading Agency in Mumbai and other branches, if you live
outside Bangalore and if you are in Bangalore, you can look
at www.ramanacentre.com/www.ramanacentre.org phones:
080-23512639, 23514930, 23360799 Email: office at ramancentre.com
Pranams and regards, Ramesh
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