[Advaita-l] Asuras and Dharma
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Thu Jan 7 15:02:56 CST 2016
> What you have said may be applicable to Kaliyuga. The Pauraniks mention
> that Devas and Asuras lived in entirely different Lokas during Kritayuga
> and used to come into conflict now and then with the Asuras moving into
> Devaloka for war. In Tretayuga, they lived in the same Loka, but in
> different regions. In Dwaparayuga, they lived in the same family . But in
> Kaliyuga, they live in the same body ( that is , they coexist in each
> individual, in the form of natural tendencies ).
Can we then say in Kali Yuga that asura represents the rajasik and tamasik qualities in a person? If that is the case, was it also not true in other yugas where Prahalad and Vibeeshana demonstrated dharmic and saatvik qualities, so essentially being a deva although born to/as asuras?
On the other hand, Varuna for example is an Asura; without Varuna there is no life. So I am not sure what the basis of classifying devas and asuras would be. (lineage of children born to Aditi and Diti respectively?)
On Thursday, January 7, 2016 2:06 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
Thank you, jaldhar, for your informative answers ad always.
On Dec 22, 2015 1:56 AM, "Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l wrote:
>> In the shastras we read about how some asuras were given knowledge by
>> certain preceptors, for example, shukra is known to have been the guru of
>> the asuras, while brighu was the preceptor of the devas.
> Brhaspati as per your correction.
>> My question is, what exactly were these asuras learning? Was it the Vedas,
>> or some other type of knowledge? If it was the Vedas, doesn't that mean
>> there was adhikara for that to take place to begin with? How was that
>> defined? If there was adhikara, then why would the lord have to incarnate
>> to mislead them with a false doctrine (buddha), instead of correcting them
>> in their errors?
> It is Vedas. The Devas and Asuras are half-brothers being the children of
> Kashyapa Prajapati by his two wives Diti and Aditi. So they have the same
> adhikara. It is what they do with it which separates them. The names of
> the mothers give a clue. Diti means finitude. Aditi is its opposite e.g.
> infinity. So the problem with the Daityas is not necessarily that they
> don't know dharma (there have been some virtuous ones such as Prahlad,
> Baliraja, Vibhishana etc.) but they do not put it to proper ends. The
> example of Indra and Virochana from Chhandogyopanishad has already been
> mentioned. Another is Ravana who was a great Shivabhakta but on acquiring
> siddhis became drunk with power.
> In the Shatapathabrahmana of the shuklayajurveda there is a meditation on
> Prajapati as the year and the devas and asuras as days and nights which
> alternate in succession but neither prevailing over the other.
> These two sets of concepts, light and darkness, finity and infinity are
> brought together in Ishopanishad which also belongs to shuklayajurvda. In
> (rk 3) the worlds won by karma are called asurya which means asura because
> they ar finite and limited hence. The oposite is path symbolized by the
> sun (rk 15.) Sun is surya and aditya.
> I also read somewhere that the carvaka atheistic philosophy has it's
>> origins with rishi brhispathi....is this true? If so, was it's purpose to
>> mislead a certain group of people similar to what we are taught about
>> buddhism? Sorry if this is offtopic, I've been curious about it for a
> In the arthashastra of Kautilya the name of Brhaspati is given as a
> founder of that vidya and same in the Kamasutra I think. So it may just be
> that Brhaspati is associated with "worldly" pursuits of all kinds not
> necessarily just heretical ones.
> Another possibility is that it is just a big joke. Atheists may have
> wanted to ridicule astikas by pretending that the origin of their
> philosophy is from the guru of the very Gods their opponents believed in.
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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