[Advaita-l] Question about karma yoga

Ravi Kiran ravikiranm108 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 6 01:42:20 CDT 2016


On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 7:07 AM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Hari Om,
> Namaste.
>
> Not sure the context of Karma yogi, whether referring to a jiGYaasu or a
> GYaanI.
>
> To a GYaanI, jagat is baadhita / mithyaa. Jagat includes body and mind.
> That is, body and mind are also baadhita / mithyaa.
>
> shaastra serves a  purpose to a jiGYaasu. The same  shaastra becomes
>  mithyaa to a GYaanI. When shaastra itself a mithyaa, then karma yoga is
> also a mithyaa to a GYaanI.
>

In GYaanam, GYaanI is also mithyaa


>
> When a GYaanI knows that there is no snake but only a rope, the GYaanI does
> not engage in analysis of snake viz. height of snake, weight of snake,
> species of snake, whether punya accrues by dropping the snake in a forest
> or paapa accrues by killing the snake or whether to leave the fruits of
> such punya / paapa to some other person / God  etc.
>
> GYaanI continues to do the activities he has been doing prior to
> realization. This is one of the reasons why a jiGYaasu is told to engage in
> bhakti / yoga /  niSkaama karma.
>

> regards
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:05 AM, Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM, R Krishnamoorthy via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Dears
> > > My understanding of karma yoga is as follows :No one can remain without
> > > doing any karma. While doing the karmas - three types are there - one
> > > should be aloof of the doings. Do it as a duty with detachment thinking
> > > always that one is an instrument and not a doer
> > >
> >
> > Yes.. BG 3.19 says thus:
> >
> > तस्मादसक्तः सततं कार्यं कर्म समाचर।
> >
> > असक्तो ह्याचरन्कर्म परमाप्नोति पूरुषः।
> >
> >
> >
> > > That is without getting affected by the results of the doings. R.
> > > Krishnamoorthy
> > > On 5 Aug 2016 12:36, "Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l" <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Namaste,
> > > >
> > > > Next verse continues BG 3.28 'गुणा गुणेषु वर्तन्त' 'guNA guNesu
> > vartanta'
> > > > means guNa-s act among themselves.
> > > >
> > > > ​Om​
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l <
> > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Namaste
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though the feeling that "I am the doer"  is experienced as
> real,
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > known through the study of scriptures ( shravanAdi advaita sAdhana)
> > > that
> > > > > the feeling of  karta or bhokta is because of adhyAsa (on nirguna
> > > > niShkriya
> > > > > ekam eva advayam Atma) and is not ultimately real (paramArthika).
> > > > >
> > > > > It is told in Bhagavad Gita, that actions are done by the gunas ..
> > > (3.27)
> > > > >
> > > > > प्रकृतेः क्रियमाणानि गुणैः कर्माणि सर्वशः।
> > > > >
> > > > > Hence, to attain this Atmaikatva or samyak jnAna, one resorts to
> > study
> > > of
> > > > > scriptures along with other preparatory ( sAdhana catushtaya
> > sampatti)
> > > as
> > > > > outlined in detail by Sujal Ji.
> > > > >
> > > > > ps: just sharing some thoughts ( not a scholar)..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Shashi via Advaita-l <
> > > > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Namaskara to all the learned people on this list. This is my
> first
> > > post
> > > > > > here. I would appreciate it if someone would eliminate a doubt I
> > have
> > > > > about
> > > > > > karma yoga. I am new to the intricacies of advaita, so I
> appreciate
> > > > > > anyone's willingness to answer and their patience as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question is about the state of mind of the yogi. From what I
> > > > > > understand, Karma yoga is  (1) the performance of ordained duties
> > (2)
> > > > > with
> > > > > > no regard for the fruits and (3) without feeling that "I am the
> > > doer."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand the first two elements atleast at a theoretical
> level.
> > > > The
> > > > > > third is what I have difficulty understanding. What does it feel
> > like
> > > > > when
> > > > > > one feels he is not the doer of the action? For example, during
> > > > > > sandhyavandana, when one offers Arghya, one can say "I am doing
> > this
> > > > > > because Shastra says so, to please Bhagavan, and I leave all
> > results
> > > to
> > > > > > him." But it's my mind with the intention, my mouth with the
> > Gayatri,
> > > > and
> > > > > > my hands with the water that cause the action to be done right?
> How
> > > > can I
> > > > > > relinquish ownership?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the answer is that the mind and hands are ultimately maya and
> > > > > > ultimately its Brahman who causes these actions, I get that, but
> > that
> > > > > still
> > > > > > confuses me. To realize that fact completely and through anubhava
> > > > itself
> > > > > > Brahmajnana right? Then if one has not like realized Brahman like
> > me.
> > > > how
> > > > > > is karma yoga possible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > >  Shashi
> > > > > >
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