[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Only Self knowledge gives liberation...
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Tue Jun 30 00:04:34 CDT 2015
Subbuji - Pranama
There are lot of confusion about Nirvikala Samadhi. Some one asked me this in facebook and I am still composing an answer to this question and now saw this email. There is a notion in the Ramana Maharshi groups that Vedanta study is not needed and one can sit and meditate and go beyond the mind and knowledge gets revealed to you.
Perhaps you can explain what exactly the nirvikapa samadhi and its role in the pursuit of truth.
On Tue, 6/30/15, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Only Self knowledge gives liberation...
To: "Vivek" <ammasfeet at icloud.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2015, 12:47 AM
Vedanta, meditation is nididhyāsanam that is taken up
shravanam and mananam. This is the
only method Shankara has approved based
the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.5.6:: आत्मा वा
read the bhāṣyam for this.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Vivek via
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Still some
doubt is there. As Shankara says, "Meditation can not
> moksha" neither can any other
practices except Jnana.
> You said that Self knowledge will dawn
after intense meditation.
> Somehow it seems like a slight
contradiction from Shankara's words.
> Anyone wants to
elaborate on this?
> > On Jun 29, 2015,
at 10:00 PM, RAMESH RAMANAN <rameshramanan at yahoo.co.uk>
> > Dear Sri Vivekji,
> > Pranams,
> > Through the
practice of intense meditation, chittha shuddhi takes
> and in that state, self-knowledge
dawns automatically, just as when one
drives away the marshy substance, the clear water below,
> hidden due to the marshy
substance, becomes clearly visible. Or, as when a
> dark room is lit up, the darkness
disappears, the chittha shuddhi leads
directly to self-realization, for which a study of Vedantic
> not required. Further,
Sri Ramana Maharishi has said that he may have
> completed most of his sadhanas in his
previous birth, which has fructified
in the current birth. This could apply to the saints, who do
not seem to
> have read vedantic
literature in their present birth. Sri Ramakrishna was
> almost an illiterate person, who also
forgot how to sign his own name,
he did attend some schooling. His knowledge of Nirvikalpa
> was through direct experience.
He may also have finished all of his
spiritual readings in an earlier birth and in this birth,
that past reading
> may have speeded up
the process of his self-realization.
> > I think there is a saying in
Sanskrit: to the effect: "One should always
> try to upgrade one's learning. Though
it may not be beneficial in this
it is bound to be beneficial in a later births." This
could apply to
> both secular and
spiritual knowledge. We see so many child prodigies and
> some children have been recorded for their
ability to recollect their past
The child prodigies may have completed their education in
> previous lives and may have
acquired success in retaining such learning
> through intense efforts, which fructify in
a later birth.
> > Namaskars once again, Ramesh
> > On
Monday, 29 June 2015, 17:32, Vivek via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Hari Om,
> > Shankara says that only
through self knowledge you can become
enlightened and that puja, japa, selfless service,
meditation etc can not
> enlighten you.
They can purify you, make your mind calm and thin out
> ego but not give you
> At the same time there have been countless saints that
> liberation by doing long and
intense mantra japa or other practices and it
> doesn't seem they studied Vedanta at
This has created a conflict in my mind.
> > Can someone shed some light
> Many thanks,
> > Vivek
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