[Advaita-l] Isavasya Upanisad 9th Mantra
Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l
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Thu May 22 23:55:39 CDT 2014
I think there is a connection between this Ishaavaasya Mantra 9 and
Bhagavad Gita 2 - 11. Do you see it?
From Advaita Sharada site.
अशोच्यानन्वसोच्स्त्वं प्रज्ञावादांश्च भाषसे ।
गतासूनगतासूंश्च नानुशोचन्ति पण्डिताः ॥ ११ ॥
अशोच्यान् इत्यादि । न शोच्या अशोच्याः भीष्मद्रोणादयः, सद्वृत्तत्वात्
परमार्थस्वरूपेण च नित्यत्वात्, तान् अशोच्यान् अन्वशोचः अनुशोचितवानसि ‘ते
म्रियन्ते मन्निमित्तम्, अहं तैर्विनाभूतः किं करिष्यामि राज्यसुखादिना’ इति ।
त्वं प्रज्ञावादान् प्रज्ञावतां बुद्धिमतां वादांश्च वचनानि च भाषसे तदेतत्
मौढ्यं पाण्डित्यं च विरुद्धम् आत्मनि दर्शयसि उन्मत्त इव इत्यभिप्रायः ।
यस्मात् गतासून् गतप्राणान् मृतान्, अगतासून् अगतप्राणान् जीवतश्च न
अनुशोचन्ति पण्डिताः आत्मज्ञाः । पण्डा आत्मविषया बुद्धिः येषां ते हि
पण्डिताः, ‘पाण्डित्यं निर्विद्य’ (बृ. उ.
श्रुतेः । परमार्थतस्तु तान् नित्यान् अशोच्यान् अनुशोचसि, अतो मूढोऽसि
Arjuna is talking like a Pandita but he is not behaving like a Pandita.
There is a contradiction between his words and behaviour. In Ishaavaasya
also it is saying the wrong understanding is worse than having no
understanding. If some person has no knowledge about something he can be
taught. But a person with wrong understanding cannot be taught easily. He
has give up wrong understanding first. It will take longer time for him.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>wrote:
> Avidya Upasana is Karma Anushtana and Vidya Upasana is Devata Upasana. By
> Karma alone, one will be continuously bound in Gross Samsara. By Karma
> Anushtana i.e. performing one's svadharma (based on varna, ashrama etc)
> alone, one will attain Pitr Loka after death and return to Bhu-loka. On the
> other hand, by Devata Upasana alone, one will after death attain the
> Deva-loka upto Hiranyagarba. But, even such a person must return to
> Bhu-Loka when the Karma-Phala that took him there gets emptied.
> The point is, in both cases a person will be stuck in Samsara, in the
> Karmic cycle of birth and death. But, in case of Avidya, a person is
> ignorant, he is in error by compulsion, he is driven due to desires and
> karmic results. But, in the latter case, a person takes his attainment of a
> deity or a loka as the end of the journey. By attaining any one aspect of
> God, he mistakes it as ultimate. So, the error here is in a sense through
> choice. And hence, he falls into a greater darkness. It is easier to
> rectify a mistake committed in Ignorance as such a mistake is recognized as
> a mistake when someone points it out but, a mistake committed through false
> understanding, cannot be rectified easily as the person is under the false
> impression that he is right and hence denies that any mistake is done.
> The point is, the Upanishad is broadly explaining the different paths that
> various Karmas and Upasanas will lead a person too. A person who practice
> one of them alone will be stuck after attaining a certain level. For
> further progress, he must invariably have to practice the other as well.
> Hope this helps.
> Nithin S
> (P.S- I have just started a Isha Upanishad class through email (only 2
> mantras have been taken till now). If you or anybody else is interested,
> please do email me outside the group. I am not a scholar, nor do I strictly
> follow Shankara Bhashya. It is more of an explanations based on my own
> understanding which is largely based on Shankara Bhashya).
> 2014-05-22 11:34 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>> There was a discussion on Satya Darshana on this. I went to the new
>> Sringeri Sankara Bhashya site and searched.
>> Below is the Sankara Bhashya
>> अन्धं तमः प्रविशन्ति ये अविद्यामुपासते ।
>> ततो भूय इव ते तमो य उ विद्यायां रताः ॥ ९ ॥
>> अन्धं तमः अदर्शनात्मकं तमः प्रविशन्ति । के ? ये अविद्याम्, विद्याया अन्या
>> अविद्या कर्मेत्यर्थः, कर्मणो विद्याविरोधित्वात्,
>> तामविद्यामग्निहोत्रादिलक्षणामेव केवलाम् उपासते तत्पराः
>> सन्तोऽनुतिष्ठन्तीत्यभिप्रायः । ततः तस्मादन्धात्मकात्तमसः भूय इव बहुतरमेव
>> तमः प्रविशन्ति । के ? कर्म हित्वा ये उ ये तु विद्यायामेव देवताज्ञाने एव
>> रताः अभिरताः ॥
>> The question I have is why Adi Sankara has not explained why people
>> absorbed in meditation on gods go to Greater Darkness than people doing
>> Karma? Adi Sankara does not explain why.
>> On TV discussion the explanation was different. Avidya is Loukika Vidya
>> like Science, Engineering and others. Vidya is Bookish knowledge of
>> If you have only bookish knowledge of Brahma and no realization it is
>> than having knowledge of Loukika Sastras like Science. With bookish
>> knowledge of Brahma you are making a big mistake thinking you know Brahma.
>> But you do not know.
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