[Advaita-l] Which one is first in the creation sequence

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Wed Mar 5 04:59:41 CST 2014

That is my question. The two terms mayavishishta and mayopadhika are both
used to address Iswara. My doubt is how can the same Iswara have maya as
his upadhi as well as be endowed with it ? After all Iswara is Chaitanya +
maya. Upadhi cannot be part of the vastu itself. Nirvishesha brahman by
itself and nirvishesha brahman with maya as upadhi is the equivalent of
mahakasha and ghatakasha drshtanta. Is it not ? nirvishesha brahman with
maya as visheshana is Iswara.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:03 AM, ramesh badisa <badisa66 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Namaskaram.
> At the beginning of email, I would like to seek your forgiveness for
> raising a silly question. I could not figure out the answer for myself. So,
> I am requesting all members to help me.
> My confusion was related to two Bhagawad Gita slokas -
> 4/13 (chatur varnyam ...)  &
> 10/6 (Maharsayah Sapta ..).
> The first sloka talks about four varnas. So, it is obvious that it is
> concerned to the creation;
> The second sloka talks about creation of seven great sages by the Lord.
> This is also concerned to the creation.
> My confusion was that which one stands first in the creation.
> If you say, "it doesn't matter", then, sorry the matter ends there.
> However, if you would like to help me, please read further.
> Is it 4/13 first or 10/6 first
> When there is no creation, then, there are no varnas.
> Similarly, when seven great sages were born, there are no four varnas but
> only one varna - the first varna.
> For me, it appears that the classification of varnas by Lord came much
> later after the creation. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> Namaskaram,
> ramesh
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