[Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita

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Kuntimaddiji

Pranams.

Inert part also is Consciouness appearing as inert part only. In its
entirety. Lord Krishna is I the Consciouness only. That applies to shruti
as well. Please clarify.

Regards


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:14 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Chandramouliji - PraNAms
>
> Shruti being inert it is mithyaa. Krishna has two components - the
> conscious part and inert part - the inert part is mithyaa and the conscious
> part is sOham or not different from myself - by bhaaga tyaga lakshana.
> Hence when someone ask what is the status of Narayana or Krishna or any God
> for that matter, one should ask first what they mean Narayana - If their
> identification marks are only shankachakra etc then they are mithyaa since
> naama and ruupa are mithyaa. If they identiy as vishvaadhaaram gagana
> saDriSham - as unmanifested conscious entity then that is not different
> from I am. Hence one should answer depending on who is asking the question.
> narAnAm ayanam yasya saH nArAyaanaH - who is the shelter for all the
> jiivas. Purusha is defined as the Lakshi's Husband - Lakshmi is the
> prakRiti and daara or wife and the one who dhAryate - supports or carries
> her is NArAyana, the unmanifest purusha.  In the vaishnava tradition, one
> can go to NArAyana only via
>  Lakshmi  hence the term Sri Vaishanva as Sri has to come first before
> Vishnu.
>
> Just my 2c
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda.
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 2/6/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita
>  To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  Date: Thursday, February 6, 2014, 2:16 AM
>
>  For that matter, they also ask what
>  is the status of Reality of Lord
>  Krishna himself . We can answer <<like shruti, he is
>  also mithya >> . While
>  they have no problem in accepting shruti as mithya ( even
>  interpreted as
>  Unreal ) they do have a mental  obstacle in accepting
>  the same for Lord
>  Krishna.
>
>  Regards
>
>
>  On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, H S Chandramouli
>  <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>  > By << status >> I mean status concerning
>  Reality.
>  >
>  > Regards
>  >
>  >
>  > On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, H S Chandramouli <
>  > hschandramouli at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >> HS Chandramouli
>  >>
>  >> Sri Subrahmanianji wrote
>  >>
>  >> << In the Vivekachudamani we have a
>  verse  नारायणोऽहं
>  नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I
>  >> am
>  >> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it
>  would hardly be correct to
>  >> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is
>  the consort of Lakshmi.
>  >> In Advaita expressions like
>  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do
>  not refer to the
>  >> personal God.
>  >>
>  >> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to
>  JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
>  >> and
>  >> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> I am not interpreting any particular verse or
>  shruti vakyas as referring
>  >> to a specific form/name. All I am saying is that in
>  our puranas there are
>  >> any number of references to Narayana as residing in
>  Vaikuntha/milky ocean
>  >> etc. And many of my friends were keen to know the
>  status of such a personal
>  >> God like Narayana in advaita . That is all.
>  >>
>  >> Regards
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM, V Subrahmanian
>  <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
>  >> > wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse
>  नारायणोऽहं
>  नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I am
>  >>> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it
>  would hardly be correct to
>  >>> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who
>  is the consort of Lakshmi.
>  >>> In Advaita expressions like
>  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do
>  not refer to the
>  >>> personal God.
>  >>>
>  >>> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to
>  JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
>  >>> and
>  >>> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to
>  ignorance/avidyA.
>  >>>
>  >>> subrahmanian.v
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM, H S
>  Chandramouli
>  >>> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> > HS Chandramouli
>  >>> >
>  >>> > So many shruti vakyas have been cited in
>  this thread to highlight the
>  >>> > advaitic concept of Narayana. However
>  there are so many references in
>  >>> our
>  >>> > shastras , shruti/purana etc , to Narayana
>  with a definite form,
>  >>> endowed
>  >>> > with ayudhas/ornaments etc , and involved
>  in so many activities . Many
>  >>> of
>  >>> > my advaita friends have always had a doubt
>  on advaita's stand
>  >>> regarding the
>  >>> > reality status of this Narayana vis a vis
>  rest of the creation. This
>  >>> has
>  >>> > been eulogized so much that while they
>  have no difficulty in accepting
>  >>> the
>  >>> > mithyatvam of rest of the creation (
>  mostly interpreted as
>  >>> unreal/false )
>  >>> > same is not so with regard to this
>  Narayana. Sri Ramanujacharya cites
>  >>> the
>  >>> > Narayanasukta which according to him
>  refers to this Narayana as the
>  >>> only
>  >>> > authoritative shruti to identify the
>  Highest Truth ( supported by Sri
>  >>> > Vishnumaha Purana ) . Ofcourse in most of
>  their discourses the
>  >>> dvaitins do
>  >>> > not forget to mention that advaita does
>  not  accept the reality of even
>  >>> > such a Narayana !!!!!!!! Perhaps there is
>  a need to answer the question
>  >>> > with specific reference to this Narayana.
>  I have tried to answer them
>  >>> as
>  >>> > follows.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > << Narayana as distinct
>  from/different from/ separate from /
>  >>> independant of
>  >>> > I the Consciouness is Mithya.
>  >>> >
>  >>> >      Narayana as same as /
>  nondifferent from / nondistinct from /
>  >>> identical
>  >>> > with I the Consciouness is Sathya
>  >>
>  >>> >
>  >>> > May be better ways are available to answer
>  the question.
>  >>> >
>  >>> > Regards
>  >>> >
>  >>> >
>  >>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Venkatesh
>  Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
>  >>> > >wrote:
>  >>> >
>  >>> > > Namaste
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > The Narayana name is very holy
>  because Mahabharata and Bhagavata say
>  >>> -
>  >>> > > Naaraayanam Namaskrutya Naram Chaiva
>  NarOttamam. In Bhagavata the
>  >>> story
>  >>> > of
>  >>> > > Ajamila is given. He was a great
>  sinner. But he called his son's name
>  >>> > > Narayana at the time of death when
>  Yama Dootas were pulling him but
>  >>> God
>  >>> > > Narayana protected him.
>  >>> > > The Naaraayana Ashtakshari Mantra is
>  compulsory for Vaishnavas. When
>  >>> they
>  >>> > > do the Purusha Sukta homa also they
>  say every line from Pursha Sukta
>  >>> and
>  >>> > > then Om Namo Naaraayanaaya Swaahaa"
>  after each line. It gives a good
>  >>> > effect
>  >>> > > for Purusha Sukta Homa.
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > In Advaita Naaraayana is Brahman
>  only. Narayana Upanishad is saying
>  >>> > > 'Naaraayana Evedagm Sarvam Yadbhutam
>  Yacca Bhavyam. Nishkalo
>  >>> Niranjano
>  >>> > > Nirvikalpo Niraakhyaataha Shuddho
>  Deva Eko Naaraayanaha. Na Dviteeyo
>  >>> Asti
>  >>> > > Kashchit. Ya Evam Veda. Sa Vishnureva
>  Bhavati. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati.
>  >>> > > Everything in past, present and
>  future is Naraayaana only. He who
>  >>> knows
>  >>> > > this becomes Vishnu. He becomes
>  Vishnu. The Naaraayana Ashtakshara is
>  >>> > given
>  >>> > > next by the Upanishad.
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > Complete text of Upanishad.
>  >>> > > http://www.sathyasaiottawa.org/pdf/Vedam/Narayana_Upanishad.pdf
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > Namo Naaraayanaaya. Namo
>  Venkateshaaya.
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > --
>  >>> > > Regards
>  >>> > >
>  >>> > > -Venkatesh
>  >>> > >
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