[Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'
lalitaalaalitah at lalitaalaalitah.com
Mon Sep 9 23:03:13 CDT 2013
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> RV: What do you mean by no understanding? Any meanigful word will produce
> an understanding in our minds. The understanding may not be what the
> speaker intended and hence can be wrong but how is it possible to have no
Only relation of word with meaning doesn't grants that word will produce
understanding. It is 'the knowledge of relation of word and meaning' which
is needed. That's why I can't understand Tamil, although Tamil words have
So, it is possible that words may not generate any understanding.
> > > > RV: I'm explaining two cases where a pot is eternal.
> There can be no eternal pot.
> RV: Why? If the word pot is eternal, then the object indicated by it must
> also be eternal.
The name of devadatta's grandfather is eternal, hence his grandfather is
eternal !!! Who is going to put faith in such idiotic logic?
> See here, the 'is called a pot' portion can be directed to the subject
> 'collection of objects' in your sentence. Now, how could a collection of
> objects, which are definitely not pot(otherwise you would have mentioned
> it), which shares certain characteristics(of whom ? pot or plant ?) be
> called pot ?? No sane person will accept it.
> RV: By the word cow in cow dung, you mean a single cow, a set or collection
> of cows and also a class of animals. The word pot can mean a single pot
> (e.g. broken pot), collection of pots (e.g. pot store) and a class (e.g.
> mud pot).
It may be. But, you were talking of eternal pot. What does this logic
benefits to that stance ?
> >> Anyway, I just sense that you have no understanding of jAti and you are
> > trying to explain it to us. Better send that 'scholar' here or CC him so
> > that we could solve this with him.
> RV: You have access to the scholar now where you are. He accepts that
> Krishna's form is eternal (in vyavahara). We should go by pramanas not
Sure, I'll ask once I meet him.
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