[Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'
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Sun Sep 1 12:52:14 CDT 2013
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 2:01 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> RV: Krishna's form is eternal. Is it not?
> XX: Even my form is.
> RV: How?
> XX: Manushya jAti is eternal and hence the form.
That's wrong. Let the jAti be eternal in terms of AkalpasthAyI. But, how
could it's base, a specific body become eternal.
> RV: Yes. Even your particular form is eternal as knowledge of Ishwara but
> it is produced due to karma and cannot come back in to manifestation after
> that karma is exhausted.
I can't understand what do you want to express by 'particular form is
eternal as knowledge of Ishvara'. Do you mean that forms and Ishvara-GYAna
are similar or same !!??? That's untenable.
> XX: How do you know Krishna's form is the same? We know the name Krishna as
> Devaki Putra is eternal because it is said so in shruti but it need not be
> that He has the same form.
It is also not very clear.
Anyway, if no name is eternal, as it is mithyA according to advaitin-s. If
you mean that A-pralayam, then it may be true. But, your intentions appear
RV: His form is eternal because it is made of maya, which is eternal. It is
> not made of elements which are products of karma.
mAyA itself is mithyA. Then where is the talk of anything made with it.
Moreover, even our bodies are made of mAyA, ultimately!!??
> XX: If shruti and/or smrti say that His form is the same, we can accept it.
What if shruti says something opposed to yukti and other pramANa-s. He
seems to ignore this fact.
> RV: I think they do.
> XX: If there is pramana, we have to accept.
Here it appears that he is trying to escape and hence is nodding head to
Anyway, this whole thing was not enough to persuade us.
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