[Advaita-l] Samit Pani
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 26 23:51:08 CDT 2013
In C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks.
He should not accept
it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire and
keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
Shree Venkatesh – praNams
There seems to be total
misunderstanding here about what sanyaas means.
Giving up the attachments
does not mean neglecting the BMI needs as required by prakRiti. Giving up involves giving up the reality assumed to
the BMI and the world. Jnaani understands that it is mityaa implying that it is
neither real nor unreal. BMI needs to be taken care of just as we take care of
the car – Without BMI he cannot even teach. With shivering body in cold – neither the teacher can teach nor the
student can listen. Sanyaasi can be very active in the world or inactive not
even teaching shaastras – all depend on the praarabda karma. He does not depend
on the world for his happiness – that is the real giving up.
I did not respond further only
because I felt it is useless to pursue further since you have already made
conclusions that sanyaasi need not have to warm his body for transactional
The samit paani only
indicates the attitude of service on the part of the student – implying humility
on the part of the student required for to have shraddhaa in the teacher and
On Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:57 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
>There will be four conditions .
>A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching householder
>B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.
>C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.
>D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
>In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit fuel
>sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that purpose. In
>C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not accept
>it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire and
>keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
>But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with fuel
>sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in ancient
>days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started the
>Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was not
>happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have Brahma
>On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
>> > Namaste,
>> > Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru & acharya)
>> > empty-handed.
>> Dear Sriram ji,
>> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra 1.2.12,
>> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.' [The expression
>> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
>> aspirant approaching the Guru]. The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in the
>> foot note says:
>> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
>> sannyAsin. Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit which
>> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it is an
>> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
>> humility. SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
>> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
>> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
>> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
>> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the rigours of
>> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
>> immediately burn when put in fire.
>> > Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in the
>> > form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings which
>> > called "AsheevAdaM". This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
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