[Advaita-l] Avidyaa is Subjective not Objective

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In BhG 13.2, Sankara elucidates the relationship, if that is right usage, between the Self and Avidya. It may be worth going through it carefully to understand his views. 
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Namaste

In 'Method of Vedanta' book SSS Swamiji gives Sureshwara's opinion in Page
314. He is answering a question Who is Ashraya for Avidyaa? Self or not
Self. He is saying not Self is arising from Avidyaa only. Avidyaa cannot
have Ashraya in a thing produced by it. Na Anaatmanaha Ajnaanitvam Na Api
Tad Vishayam Ajnaanam. He has said Ashraya for Avidyaa is Self only.
Parisheshyaad Atmanaha Eva Astu Ajnaanam Tasya 'Ajno Asmi' Iti Anubhava
Darshanaat.

But trick question is Who is Ashraya for Avidyaa? Jeeva or Brahma? It is is
trick question because Jeeva is not Anaatma only. Brahma and Jeeva are not
different. But Jeeva has Upadhis like body.


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> But in 'Brahman assuming the jIvabhAva due to avidyA' Whose Avidyaa it is?
> If you say Brahma has taken Jeevabhava because of his own Avidyaa it is
> not
> correct because Brahma cannot have Avidyaa. If you say Brahma has taken
> Jeevabhava because of Jeeva's Avidyaa there is a circular logic. Who is
> first? Jeeva or Jeeva's Avidyaa? If Jeeva is first - How Brahma became
> that
> Jeeva without Avidyaa? If Jeeva's Avidyaa is first - how that Avidyaa came
> without Jeeva? You have not solved the Problem. The correct answer is
> Avidyaa is for person having the Adhyaasa. Jeeva, Ishwara and Maayaa are
> imagined through Avidyaa.
>
> praNAms Sri Venkatesh prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> Strictly speaking questions about avidyA Ashraya, vishaya etc. (avidyA to
> whom??  about which matter?? etc.) not at all arise in advaita, it is in
> dvaita vyavahAra only these question arise because here tiny jeeva without
> knowing his bhUma rUpa asking these silly questions by identifying himself
> with BMI and objectifying the avidyA as a separate thing!!  This tiny
> jeeva does not realize the truth that this whole gamut of dvaita is
> adhyastha only ( adhyArOpita and avidyaka).  Hence shankara answers this
> question of  jeeva and says avidyA is to you who is asking the question.
> and if you realize that you are that Ishwara, then to NO ONE there is
> ajnAna whatsoever.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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