[Advaita-l] World is Flower in the Sky
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 2 23:09:24 CDT 2013
Namaste Sadananda Mahodaya
What is transaction reality ? If you are walking in a dream and you see a
stone in your dream. The stone is lying in the road. It is useless for you.
You will neglect it and go ahead. After some time in the same dream you are
seeing a silver peice in the road. You will think I can use this silver to
get money. You will try to take it but it is not silver. It is a shell.
After some time you meet a friend. He is telling you I have seen a flower
in the sky and a rabbit with horns. You will laugh at him and say it is not
true. If you are a child in the dream and mother tells a Ghost will eat you
if you are not eating your food. You will believe it and say the Ghost is
real but Mithya.
You are saying the stone in your dream is real but Mithya, the silver is
Mithya the shell is real but Mithya, the Flower in the Sky is Asat, the
Rabbit with Horns and the Ghost is Asat. Will you say the stone is Asat
because it is useless like Flower in the Sky?
In your dream if a jet plane can draw a picture of flower in the sky in
colour smoke you will agree it is also Drushya like stone and shell. If a
genetic scientist can make a Rabbit with horns you will agree it is also
This is a big confusion with things in a dream. The stone, the silver, the
shell, the Flower in the Sky, the Rabbit with Horns and Ghost all these
things are in a dream only. What is the difference? They are all false.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:31 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shree Venkatesh - PraNAms
> I know everybody pointed out the difference between sky-flower is
> different from mithyaa - first it is asat (at least currently
> non-existent) while mithyaa is sat-asat vilakshanam, neither real nor
> unreal. If one insists that they are the same by quoting a statement out of
> context, then, let that be so, for him. The fact is - the advaitic
> understanding however differs from his.
> In the dream, for the dreamer, the dream objects are transactionally real.
> In the waking state, for the waker, the waking objects are transactionally
> real. Hence Shankara says - svakaale satyavat bhaati, prabhode satyasat
> bavet - Hence reality is not based on the transactability but on
> the nityatvam or that which is eternal and unchaning alone is real and only
> Brahman satisfies this requirement. Hence Brahman alone is absolutely real.
> The waking and dream objects in their reference are real but not absoutely
> real - since they are EXPEREINCED but they not eternal. Each states
> negates the other. Hence both praatibhaasika and vyaavahaarika are real in
> their referece states. Hence they are relatively real but not from the
> absolute reference since Vedanta says prajnaanam brahman - pure
> consciousness alone is Brahman, which is infiniteness, implying that any
> object which is inert cannot be real. Since the are experienced they
> cannot be unreal
> also. Hence mithyaa.
> Now it has been stated that aakaasha pushpma is not transactionally
> real and until it becomes transactionally real either in the dream state or
> in the waking state, it remains as asat only. If you stil insist that you
> can smell the flower and make a garland out of those flowers and offer to
> the alter of your IshTa Devata - please be my guest. I have no problem. I
> must say, however, that my IshTa Devata would prefer, like me, the flowers
> that have beautiful smell and are transactonally real to make them into
> garland; in spite of what you think yogavashiShTa says.
> Sorry to be blunt, but there is no confusion from in the classification
> from the point of adviata. Confusion arises only when one mixes these up.
> Hari Om!
> > From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
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> >Subject: [Advaita-l] World is Flower in the Sky
> >Recently members said world is Mithya but not like a fictional thing.
> >I said there is no difference between Mithya and fictional thing like
> >flower in the sky. Both are in dream and both are false only.
> >In third chapter Yoga Vasistha has said this -
> >It is an illusion as the phantom of a city in a dream,
> >and as untrue as the imagination of a flower growing in
> >the air.The unreality of the world best appears to one at
> >the point of and after his death.
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