[Advaita-l] : Sankhya and Yoga can give Moksha?
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Tue May 15 14:09:50 CDT 2012
I wish you read the Sankaraviajayam first before posing this question. Anyway let me tell you what Sankara reportedly told Padmapada. He said that Passion cannot affect a person who has become dispassionate (free from passion). ShriKrishna's companionship with the Gopis is an exampl;e of this sort. Then there is the background of the Vajroli. We should know that because of the ability to pull in the secretion there is no need to fear any loss of the yativrata due to secretion. He says ""kiMcha sankalpa evaakhilaabhilaashashya mulaM sa eva kRshnatulyasya mama naasti".
From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
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Adi Sankara's Sukshma Sarira entered into the King's body OR only the
Atma? Because if only Atma there is no fear of losing Brahmacharya.
There is no effect of enjoying by body on Atma. It is a witness only.
Even if body is enjoying women and other things Atma is never a
Bhokta. If he said he will have to practice Vajroli to protect
Brahmacharya this means his Atma with some Upadhis like Mind went into
the King's body. When he came back to his own body he had to do
Vajroli to protect his Brahmacharya. Is this correct?
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
<sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Namaste Venkateshji,
> Oh I see that you are referring to Abhinava Vidya Teertha Swamiji but not
> Adi Sankara.
> As regards Adi Sankara's knowing Vajroli, it is mentioned in
> Madhava-Vidyaranya's Sankata digvijaya. When Ubhaya Bharati questioned the
> purna-jnani status of Sankara as he lacked the knowledge of
> Kusumastra-shastra (the art and science of sensual desire), the latter
> decided to enter the dead body of king Amaruka and assured his disciples
> that he would not lose his continence as knew Vajroli. It is also said that
> Padmapada had to rescue his guru at the right time like Gorakhnath had to
> save his guru Matsyendranath in a similar situation. This could be also the
> reason why some people think that following this exposure of Sankara to the
> Kusumastra-shastra he wrote a commentary called "Jayamangala" on the
> Kamasutra and also wrote another book on Tantra-shatra. However there are
> others, who think that the hagiographer MadhavaVidyaranya lived in the 15th
> century and that he could have written depending on hearsay or this episode
> of metempsycosis could be an interpolated one. Another reason could be that
> Abhinavagupta, who lived in the end of the 10th century and the beginning of
> the 11th century, mentioned Matsyaendranath as his guru. It was then
> impossible for Sankara's disciples to tell Sankara about a past feat of
> Matsyendranath. It seems history is playing a topsy-turvy game here.
> Sunil KB
> From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>; A discussion group
> for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] : Sankhya and Yoga can give Moksha?
> Namaste Sri Sunil
> I am writing about Abhinava Vidya Teertha Swamiji but not Adi Sankara.
> But how can you say Adi Sankara was doing Vajroli? Which is the
> authentic source for this?
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
> <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I mean, how can you say contest Adi Sankara's expertise in Vajroli.
>> Sunil KB
>> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> To: "advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org"
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:27 AM
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>> That he was asked to do Paranayama in the ratio 1 : 2 : 2 may be a fact
>> and it could be probably because his guru did not want his Kundalini
>> jagarana to be fast. That he knew Vajroli wasby his own admission. How can
>> you say no that?
>> From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
>> To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>; A discussion
>> group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:23 AM
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>> In some book I remember Sri Abhinava Vidya Teertha has said he was
>> doing Pranayama in the ratio 1-4-2. Inhale for some time. Hold breath
>> for 4 X time and Exhale for 2 X time. But his Guru asked to do the
>> ratio 1-2-2. He did not do Vajroli.
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
>> <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> To my knowledge there is no mention as to whether Adi Sankara practised
>>> any Yogic exercises but there is mention that he was adept in Vajroli Mudra,
>>> probably the most advanced Yogic Kriya. That convinces me that he (Adi
>>> sankaracharya) was also adept in the Asanas and the Mudras.
>>> Sunil KB
>>> From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
>>> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
>>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankhya and Yoga can give Moksha?
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Venkata sriram P
>>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in> wrote:
>>>> In order to keep the body fit, one has to perform yOgAbhyAsa. Simple
>>>> asanas, pranayamas & a couple of rounds of sUryAnamaskAra is required.
>>>> All the spiritual excercises should be done in moderation (ati
>> sarvatra varjayEt). Moderation in karmAnuSTAna (ofcourse nityakarma
>> should not be skipped), moderation
>>>> in yoga abhyAsa (suryanamaskara, prANAyAma as a part of sandhyavandana),
>>>> moderation in food intake (one should neither over-eat nor fast). Equipped
>>>> with this,
>>>> should indulge in vedanta shravaNa & manana. This should be the goal of
>>>> vEdAnta abhyAsins.
>>> But what are the simple Asanas and Pranayamas? Is only Padmasana
>>> enough? What is the list of simple Asanas we can practice?
>>> What Asanas and Pranayamas are the Sringeri Swamijis practicing?
>>> There is no information. That is why I am asking. In Nitya Karma it is
>>> clearly said we have to do Sandhyavandana, Deva Puja and others. Like
>>> this there is no clear Asanas from Yoga for Advaita Sadhana.
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