[Advaita-l] idaM na mama - The scientific evidence?
Dr. Yadu Moharir
ymoharir at yahoo.com
Sat Mar 19 14:32:27 CDT 2011
Thank you for your comments.
I really have no issues with anything except when under the banner of yaj~na, control standards are totally ignored while evaluating the data.
Recently I evaluated a paper where author claimed that "PLANTS" grow 30% rapidly when the plants were placed close to yaj~naku.NDa (approx 10 ft). The growth rate was compared to same species placed outside more than 2000 ft in open air.
Here, author conveniently disregarded the "Caron Fixation cycle", which is necessary rate limiting step for the plant growth. But had no problem in proclaiming than Mantra's were directly responsible for their growth.
At least, he did use the same potting mix and the amount of water in both scenarios.
a. Caron di-oxide level near both places.
b. Plants near yaj~nakuNDa were more in a tent against the open air for the other control.
c. Total humidity in both places.
This is pseudo science of convenience.
When confronted everything was shoved under the carpet of shaddhaa.
Some of the medicinal plants are being researched by the pharmaceutical companies. Various fractions are being systematically evaluated for the "viyoga" specified in our brahmaNaik literature.
If any one has any specific information about herbs and plants recommended as "samidhaa" in specific "kaameShTi yaj~na" please contact me off list.
--- On Sat, 3/19/11, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] idaM na mama - The scientific evidence?
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 9:47 AM
I am making a generic post, and it is not directed at you but intended for
people who look for scientific proofs for these things
>Can you please post the details abut the yaj~na you have mentioned if they are
Sriram of-course will say about this.
I am well aware of the class of people who want scientific evidence for these
things. But know that you will never get it- read through.
The following might look a little abstract or it might look non-coherent or
sound like non-sense(In which case i probably did a poor job trying to express
what my familiarity with ritual specialists showed/taught me)
>Can you comment of reproducibility, specificity. precision of this methodology
>of this yaj~na?
Yes it is definitely reproducible **if** you can generate similar conditions and
that is exactly why you cannot. Let us get into a little "experimental detail"
here taking this example on how impractical it is to generate similar
conditions. The intention (and its intensity) of the one who is performing the
prayoga is very important along with his mantra siddhi.
In this example, can you generate a famine(so that it creates that compassion in
the ritualist to agree to perform the yAga)) which would make the
mAntrika/mantrin make a resolve in exactly the same manner as it happened in the
Even if it is possible to do that .. can one imagine the consequences of calling
in the devata-s(nature forces) to make it rain just to test them? Does this even
make any sense? What will happen if the mantrin knows(or somehow senses - mind
you most educated mantrins will know if a trick like this is being played) that
a famine is created to test his ability..the mantrin's intent is immediately
lost..no?. And Intent is an important ingredient here if you want to look at
this whole affair like an experiment in Chemistry.
>Is there any documentation that can validate this?
First, what does one need this for? To publish in a "peer reviewed scientific
Second, one might be able to document this but never validate it through
scientific means - see below why.
There are incidents where a few uncurable diseases are cured by performing homa
with specific oblations** with a specific mantra. These are repeatable for sure
again under similar conditions for sure. The moment we intend to make a
scientific evaluation of this process, and so for this purpose let us say we
create an environment to make a double blind test, your intent to evaluate this
or measure this is already ensuring that(or changing ) the conditions under
which this is repeatable*.. and this is exactly why I said you will never get
scientific evidence for these things.. even though they are reproducible n
number of times.
Finally, only a highly accomplished mantrin with thorough knowledge of the
ritual system he employs can tell whether the disease was cured because of 1)
purely the effect of the mantra 2) The mantra prayoga failed but the medicinal
herbs used in the rites cured it 3) Or nothing worked but it got cured by a
stroke of luck. Most mantrins(atleast those who studied under traditional
teachers) are not un-intellectual superstitious duds, yes they can make this
distinction... if you interact with them you will discover that.
[*This is undoubtedly a poor comparison or of limited relevancy but for lack of
a better example....think of this in terms of Heisenberg's uncertainty
[** Let us not get pseudo-scientific here and make wild guesses here saying that
the medicinal properties of the materials used in the homa healed the patient
and that the mantra had nothing to do with it. This is because those with
greater/higher siddhi in the mantra, do not need to perform homa with those
specific twigs and herbs but mere japa can cure. The statement of the
medicinal/Ayurvedic work by name bhelA saMhita can be taken here where it is
said that in earlier times diseases were cured by employing only mantra-s itself
without needing herbs and since curing with mantra-s require specific niyama-s
to be observed by the mAntrika, the non-observation of which might render the
curing through purely mAntric process, herbs should be used. The textual
statement apart, closely observing accomplished mantrin-s shows that this indeed
is the case.]
Hopefully I made some/little sense?
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