[Advaita-l] Fwd: Advaita-l Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Mon Jun 6 05:59:48 CDT 2011
praNAms Sri Venkataramani prabhuji
*Bhaskar, I agree that there can be different definitiond of jnani based
which stage he is on the jnana bhumi. I dont agree that the definition can
be based on prarabda karma.
> Though there is no difference in Atmaikatva jnAna, it can occupy
different mind in different shape and according to this there will be
gradation in Atma jnAni-s like brahmavidvara, bahmavidvarIya,
brahmavidvarishTa etc. This is how some of the advaitins would say. There
will be a strong evidence for this in Sri VidyaraNya's jeevan mukti viveka
which has been accepted widely as valid definition of jnAna-bhUmika-s in
If such a position is admissible, there will be as many definitions of a
jnani as there are jnanis as each one has has a unique prarabda karma.
> yes, according to some theory, some jnAni's dehendriya manObuddhi
ahaMkAra would act differently at different point of time due to their
prArabdha karma phala which is unavoidable & to be exhausted through
Also, the definition of jnani has to be based on sastras. Gita offers two
definitions of a jnani - nitya yukta eka bhakti: and vasudevam sarvam
iti. In both cases, Madhusudana says that jnani has
bhakti. Sankara does not specifically that one who has attained vasudeva
a bhakta but he does not say that a jnani transcends bhakti either.
> Advaita vedAnta does talk about bhakti which is slightly different from
dvaita's 'bedha' bhakti. Shankara calls it as parAbhakti which does not
do any harm to shruti siddhAnta i.e. Atman's ekameva adviteeyatva
I heard that Vidyaranya Swami says jivan mukta Hari bhakta.
> Interesting !! may I know which work pls. can jnAni ( a jIvan mukta)
be hara bhakta also?? appayya deekshita was great hara bhakta but I dont
know whether he is considered as jeevan mukta !!??
Brahmananda, the disciple of Madhusudana, says that bhakti is his guru, a
jivan mukta is the residual effect of bhakti done before attainment of
> I did not get this!! BTW, muktAvasta is not an (residual) effect of
anything, it is ever existing natural state. However, shastra helps us to
realize this ever existent reality.
So, the definition of jnani (or types of jnani) remains a open question to
me. If one wants to
be a jnani, either in this or a future life, one should know what a jnani
> IMO, one cannot become a jnAni by 'knowing' about the jnAni, one should
intuitively realize this jnAna and when one realized, I sincerely hope
he/she will not have any doubts about the definition of the jnAni :-))
*Agreed. But on realizing brahma satyam, does a jnani continue to devote
the Lord? As mentioned above, Madhusudana and Sankara both say that in the
context of Bhagavad Gita.
> yes, according to some, he would continue to devote to the lord or
paripUrNa chaitanya as long as the jnAni continues to 'live' in his body
with paricchinna chaitanya...That is the reason why we have the great
bhakta-s like dhruva, prahlAda etc. But shankara somewhere in chAdOgya
bhAshya says that after realization jnAni would realize that before Atma
jnAna, srushtyAdi kriya was Ishwareccha but now (after realization) he,
himself is WHOLE & SOLE...
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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