[Advaita-l] Taittiriya Upanishad question
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Wed Apr 13 05:38:41 CDT 2011
We must be intelligent to find out who is genuine. Otherwise we will
fall into a trap.
> yes, you are right, we must be intelligent and use our intelligence to
test the person before accepting him/her as 'guru'. That is what Narendra
did, he tested whether paramahamsa really relinquish the 'kAma & kAnchANa'
or it is mere words at the tip of the tongue !!
What example you have for Jnani doing bad work in the name of Prarabdha?
> actually I dont have anything, because I am a firm believer that jnAni
is nothing but personification of paramArtha jnAna and he is brahman...bad
work examples by jnAni given here by some to float their pet theory i.e.
jnAni's rAga-dvesha, ahaMkAra-mamakAra etc. I am just questioning those
'bad work' examples :-))
One example Kashyapa but there are many other Jnanis like Hanuman.
> for that matter even kashyapa's episode too not to prove jnAni's 'bad
karma'...but this episode suffered badly due to 'bad example' to prove
jnAni's rAga-dvesha & maithunecche.
They never did bad things like Kashyapa. Why don't you look at them? Why
are you looking at Kashyapa only? That
also he did once only. Not many times.
> dont this explanation give us the impression that jnAni can do heinous
act one time and it can be pardonable?? If the jnAni is allowed to do one
wicked act, why should we, the ajnAni-s be punished for our wicked acts??
Atleast we should have two chance no :-)) BTW, jnAni never ever indulges
himself in dharma bAhira & shAstra nishidda acts.
Your logic is not correct. If we do like that we are foolish. We must not
cheat our own Atma like that.
> no, it is not a cheating, it is a normal human tendency to find out
excuses!! jnAni's questionable activity gives us the room to justify our
deeds in the name of prArabdha!! The justification goes like this, see
due to prArabdha karma phala, we have this deha indriya ahaMkAra etc. and
as long as this prArabdha janita upAdhi-s are there we are bound to suffer
from rAga-dvesha and when this 'unavoidable' is true to even brahma jnAni
and he too suffers from rAga-dvesha, prArabdha karma phala is more
powerful than jnAna, so due to this karma phala anyway we have to suffer
and sometime without our knowledge we may engage in wicked activities for
which we donot have any control because it is due to our prArabdha!! and
this prArabdha karma does not spare even brahma jnAni & where is the
question of we, the ordinary mortals overcome it!!
He will not do any Adharmic act.
> yes that is what my contention too..
In case he does it we should not follow.
> the question of 'in case' does not arise at all in a brahmanishTa, if
he does any adharmic act then he is not paramArtha jnAni or his avidyA is
not completely eradicated.
Like Krishna had fun with Gopees. Rama had only one wife. We can follow
Rama to have fun with legal wife only. We must not follow Krishna and
search for fun with some cowherd girls. We take only Dharmic examples.
> I think you are having some serious misconception about krishna's rAsa
leela...Anyway, we will take this issue separately later.
But if a Sthita Prajna makes some mistake we must not follow his mistake
> A sthita prajna is always a sthitha prajna it is not an oscillating
state to remain tranquil sometime and act mischevously sometime. A
wobbling mind is not a sign of sthitha prajna/jnAni as explained in the
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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