[Advaita-l] The Jnani's feeling of physical pain
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Thu Sep 23 06:22:58 CDT 2010
praNAms Sri praveeN prabhuji
On saying that the j~nAni's body has prArabdha and not the j~nAni
himself , it has been argued that its so even for an aj~nAni, the AtmA
being unaffected always.
> You might have observed prabhuji, jnAni's prArabdha is not only
restricted ONLY to the continuation of his body after the dawn of jnAna,
but it has its own influence on jnAni's mind as well, due to his/her
prArabdha sometimes, as against his Atma jnAna, he may get angry, he may
be sad sometime, but after getting these rAgAdi feelings in his mind,
immediately he takes the help of his achieved jnAna & tries to subdue
it...And this suppression time again depends on his prArabdha janita
dehendriya-s...So, according to some perception, even jnAni gets the whip
of his prArabdha karma & uses jnAna as against it & subdue it over a
period of time. But what happens between the interval (i.e.after getting
the feeling and before subduing the same) is not in his hand, coz. during
that time he will be completely under the influence of this rAgAdi
vAsana-s which is the result of his prArabdha!!
Other way round, whether j~nAni has a BMI, it is argued that its
superimposed on the AtmA by the a~jnAni. But the
point somehow seems missing here is that the same case is true before
the rise of j~nAna; or in other words, for an a~jnAni!
> Yes, irrespective of the individuals, dehendriya manO buddhi ahaMkAra
is superimposed on nirvikAri, nirvishesha, niravayava Atman..Ofcourse, as
you know, this is the subject matter of adhyAsa bhAshya.
That the body has prArabdha and not AtmA/ j~nAni, as well as, the body is
superimposed on the AtmA/ j~nAni are equally true in case of j~nAni or
> Yes, that is the reason why attributing BMI to Atma even after jnAna is
something alien to advaita siddhAnta.
If the j~nAni has no association *whatsoever* with his BMI and is
equally associated with all bodies, what is it that makes the
jivanmuktA's body special?
> IMHO, nothing special...if jnAni's body is something special then we
would have preserved it by all possible means!! is it not:-))And when
jnAni realizes that he is non-dual Atman, he has the knowledge that he is
Why worship him and not others?
> it is shraddha of ajnAni's, who, with their limited conditioned mind
which cannot go/think beyond jnAni's body coz. this ajnAni thinks that he
is embodied one!!...And you would agree with me that when we are
worshipping the jnAni-s in their physical form, it is implicitly
understood that we are not offering our pooja ONLY to their physical body
to make the jnAni-s body a special attraction over the advaya tattva :-))
If that is also a superimposition by the a~jnAni, why is his
superimposition of the j~nAni's body on AtmA any more worthy of that other
superimposition of a~jnAni's bodies on AtmA?
> again it is all the trasactions of ajnAni who has special attachment to
jnAni's body..That is the reason why you know, some would worship
ramakrishna paramahamsa's body/photograph, some others, ramaNa's body,
someone else would worship some other body/photograph of the person who he
think is the jnAni...
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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