[Advaita-l] Does Brahman Know?
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 23 21:49:29 CST 2010
Ishwara exists in Vyavahara only. In Paramartha there is no Ishwara.
When there is no Ishwara there is no Bhakta also. Both are One. You
land in confusion because of misunderstanding Advaita. Your reasoning
is in reverse gear.
All experiences of Ishwara and Bhakta and all others are Maya only and
not true from Nirguna Brahman point. What Ishwara knows and
experiences is Maya only. All infinite attributes are Maya only. They
are not true. Ishwara knows this. He knows there is no Ishwara at
Nirguna Brahman level. Bhakta Jiva does not know this. He thinks
Ishwara is great and all experiences are true. But they are Maya only.
In idli example what you say is not correct. The correct example is
like this. A man likes idli and chutney. He does not want to become
idli and chutney true. But when he tastes greater pleasure in Jalebi
than idli and chutney he will leave idli and chutney and go for it .
The Brahman Bliss is like that. It is greater than Bhakti Bliss also.
Ishwara knows this also. But for people who cannot understand Jnana
Marga he will teach Bhakti. If you teach Jnana Marga to undeserving
people it will be like nuclear secrets to bad people. Bhakti may
convert bad people into good people.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani
<rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ishwara* *knows nirguna brahman and its exstence as Himself, jIvA and jagat.
> He is also infinitely blissful. His devotees experience this bliss (as
> visuddha sattva does not obstruct). There are infinite attributes and
> experiences through karma, yoga and bhakti. Each one of these and the
> experience of jnana is also known to Ishwara (Lord Krishna says that there
> is nothing hire than jnana. So he must know that experience also). When a
> jIvA realizes Ishwara, he can get any or all of these experiences because
> Ishwara favours His devotees with sarsti etc. A jIvA who is attracted to
> Ishwara with the intention of becoming absolutely one with Him might
> consider that goal is achieved at some stage. But in reality, does he reach
> the same state as Vishnu of omniscience and omnipotence? Or does he get
> tricked in to a state by Vishnu that he thinks there is no Vishnu, jagat
> etc.? One who likes idli will eat it with chutney but not want to become
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