[Advaita-l] Bh.Gita verse 18.73 - Was Arjuna an 'aparoksha Jnani'? - Part 4
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 12 04:03:22 CDT 2010
Vajrasoochika upanishad says that the birth does not make one brahmana., There are more requirements. Also please do not forget that the low-borm Satyakaam also became brahmin and you must be knowing that. So the reply to the question can not be a simplistic one.
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Bh.Gita verse 18.73 - Was Arjuna an 'aparoksha Jnani'? - Part 4
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:07 PM
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>> As far as I know there is no hard & fast rule like this in advaita
> saMpradAya...For that matter mOksha is not any 'Ashrama adheena' to
> emphasize sAnyAsAshrama is the ONLY ashrama where you can get mOksha..
How can a man in the middle of samsara with his wife and children and
many attachments to money, house car food get moksha? It is like
catching the crocodile tail to cross a river. It cannot be done.
even one attachment is enough to prevent moksha what is the fate if
there are many. sanyasa is a must to study vedanta properly and get
The crocodile caught Adi Sankara. It left him after mother promised he
can become sanyasi. This story tells sanyasa is very very important.
Women and non brahmins cannot become sanyasi. Therefore no moksha.
To solve this problem they can study puranas and Gita. Then they get
chance for moksha by getting born as brahmins.
> Gita is not a part of Vedanta but it is a part of Mahabharata. It can
> be read by non dvija people and women.
>> but it does not mean that geeta is lacking something and due to which
> non-dvija-s would not get mOksha...geeta as a smruti text is self
> sufficient to fetch the mOksha to non-dvija-s & strees...ONLY jnAna is
> mOksha sAdhana and that jnAna is there in smruti texts for non-dvija-s.
If all can get moksha how are brahmins better? This is meaningless.
Only brahmins have all the samskaras and background. others dont have
it. Only sanyasi can study vedanta.
> News paper report is for any body who can read. And people read news
> paper report with all the other news which contains lot of masala like
> politics, sports and films. In Mahabharata also there is filmy masala
> like fighting and love stories. The text book for serious students.
> They must have some qualifications. If others read text book they
> will not understand.
>> even veda-s too not an exception to this..it too has lot of colourful
> stories :-))
Vedanta is serious study. no purana type stories or anything. But
puranas have lot of entertainment.
> In 6th chapter of Gita Krishna says anybody on the right path never
> falls down. He will take janma in brahmin family and continue on his
> path. This surely happens.
>> no it says he would get birth where it is convenient for him to
> continue his sAdhana..Please recheck the verse.
He must take birth in brahmin family otherwise how will become sanyasi
and study vedanta.
>Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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