[Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - one possible solution?
satisharigela at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 27 00:31:00 CDT 2010
namaste Anand-ji and others,
Not a very long post but made it into two parts for clarity
Part 1: vrAtya-s, stomAdi...
>Please note that I am not commenting on whether the conversions that
>happened in history or the conversions that are conducted by modern
>organizations are appropriate as per our shAstras or not.
Thank you for clarifying your position on this. Though you do not hold those
ancient positions I would like to summarize a few things for the sake of
Regarding the tANDya brAhmaNa one of my teacher has said that he examined it
sometime back and found nothing in it that would make it applicable for
The same teacher's comments below in quotes.
"manu talks of vrAtya-s on multiple occasions and not the vrAtya-stoma. In his
typical style he takes a very dim view of vrAtya-s and define them as those who
have fallen due to non-acquisition of sAvitrI. He says proper dvija-s should
not observe AvAha-vivAha with vrAtya-s."
on the kAtyAyana shrauta sUtra:
"The KSS talks of similar rituals as the TanB. It also does not mention
unArya-s being admitted as Arya-s after the rite. It merely states that those
who have become vrAtya-s due to the observance of the vrAtya rite or due to the
non-performance of dvija saMskAra-s can be readmitted to the ritual life after
Some interesting aside on vrAtya-s and vrAtyatoma since the occasion came:
"In the Vedic period the vrAtya rite seems to have had a more positive
connotation that gradual lost its position as such. In the positive sense young
men became vrAtya for some time and roved in the territories of rival rAjan-s
perhaps performing sabotage and espionage. Then they returned to fold with a
stoma. In that sense one could see a connection with the kApAlika vrata of the
shaiva-s, especially given that the vrAtya kANDa-s of the AV give the mantra-s
for the worship of rudra by the above vrAtya."
Part 2: Absorption of non-Hindus:
My teacher also says that "a guru who is a shAstravit should decide(what rite to
deploy for the non-Hindu aspirant)".
What went before arriving at this conclusion: Psychological, sociological and
ritual aspects were considered in arriving at this. Leaving it to the
discrimination of the teacher is the safest method given the current scenario.
But the initiating or admitting teachers should be cautious. Do not forget the
example of Sarah Caldwell. She isn't the only one like that.
This is one solution which tries to cover many aspects, There could be more
which are equally well though out.
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