[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 30 07:44:58 CDT 2009
First of all Sanyasa Aashrama is for enabling one to attain Mukthi.
Jeevanmukthas don't need any aashrama per se but as they are dehis they
would happen to be in one aashrama or the other even though aashrama dharmas
are not of any use to them.
*Talking of sanyasa aashrama it is an important aashrama and should not be
considered as redundant* even though Mukthi being instantaneous happens in
any aashrama. Yet again not everybody is qualified for sanyasa aashrama for
the simple reason that its pre-requisite is the abandonment of karma. If
Kshathriyas, Vaisyas and Sudhras abandon their karmas then the world will
collapse. So they are not qualified for sanyaasa aashrama. In the very
first chapter of Bhagavat Geetha our Lord admonished Arjuna from the lame
talk of abandonment of his karma. He said that even if he runs away from
his karma he is made of the guna of a kshathriya that would make him feel
guity for having run away and for others to insult him of having been a
coward for running away from the battlefield and trying to put a vesham of
sanyaasi to hide his cowardice.
In essense only Brahmins are qualified to enter sanyaasa aashrama.
Shyamji has ably described this aashrama. Our thanks to him.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Shyam <shyam_md at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes-Bhaskar-ji - you are absolutely right - after all why should either a
> seeker or a knower embrace the order of sannyasa when there is a high
> probability that he might be a avatara like Lord Rama - all he needs is for
> Lord Brahma to drop by any day now and give him the necessary information [-
> perhaps even an email might suffice in today's age?] :)
> - I guess Acharyas Shankara, Sureshwara and Vidyaranya ALL overlooked this
> key point.
> Hari OM
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> > From: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 12:43 AM
> > My aim (as the title of my series
> > indicates) is to show that the
> > traditional position is this - without sannyasa, even if
> > one acquires
> > samyag Jnana, it does not confer the fruit of jivanMukti.
> > praNAms shyAm prabhuji
> > Hare Krishna
> > Quite funny observation. So according to you Janaka,
> > who was a
> > chakravorthy was not a jeevan mukta, avatAra
> > purusha-s like rAma, krishna
> > were not jeevan mukta-s, vidhura & dharmavyAdha-s,
> > who were shUdra-s, not
> > jeevan mukta-s, prahlAda, dhruva who were kshatriya-s
> > were not jeevan
> > mukta-s, raikva, vAchaknavi, saMvarta those who quote
> > shankara in sUtra
> > bhAshya as atyAshrami-s were not jeevan mukta-s, uddAlaka
> > who taught
> > brahma vidya to his son svetaketu was not jeeva mukta,
> > ...so, ultimately,
> > you are telling jeevan mukta-s are those who are saNyAsi-s
> > not others!!
> > could you explain me in one or two sentences what exactly
> > do you mean by
> > the ter 'saNySa' here, if at all it is not an external
> > attires &
> > characteristics ??
> > I shall come back to your long reply to my mail on
> > other list on the same
> > subject in due course....
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
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