[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 22:27:04 CDT 2009


Dear Sunilji,

As regards Sathyakaama he could not say who his father was but listening to
his story the Guru inferred that he could have had a Brahmin lineage.
However if the story is further investigated it would become clear that the
Guru assigned him to be the cowheard of the aashrama and he attained gnaana
in the process of his work.

In other words, the Guru found the best method for him to attain Moksha.

Again these are really exceptions.  All I was cautioning was not to make
exception as the rule.  More we talk of the exceptions more they become
important and the less we talk of the rule the less it becomes important!

Now, God's Testing, teasing and playing are part of the bhakthi cult which
is again part of the Saguna Brahma Aaradhana.   There are no rules between
Him and his devotee but only the maaya leela.  They are aagamic view points
and are ultimately dwaithic in nature.

Sankara's advaithic treatise in Bhakthi maarga is in Sivaananda Lahari.  I
once had a chance to post my commentaries on this famous composition of
Sankara in another blog and I will post some excerpts separately for the
benefit of our readers.

Regards,
Anbu




On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Sunil Bhattacharjya <
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Anbuji,
>
> I am against the view that God tests human beings as God as I understand
> must be knowing how a human being is and he does not need to test. But a
> guru must test his prospective disciples before initiation. Now if a
> qualified guru had found a non-brahmin as qualified to be his disciple why
> you and me should worry. Noboby ever questioned when Satyakama was
> initiated. If we mean destiny as the consequence of pururushartha then don't
> you think that one must take into account what one did or did not do in this
> life as well. Actions of this life may give a particular adhikara to some
> one, who might not have had that adhikara by birth. Do you think it is
> logical. I await comments from you and the other scholars.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
>
> --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fw: Re: waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually
>  supportive
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 12:03 PM
>
> Quote: "...Whether a non-brAhmaNa can become a saMnyAsin..."
>
> My answer is, there is no scriptural sanction for non-brahmin to don ochre
> robe for such permission would have then given a valid reason as to their
> purushartha.  However non-Brahmins set up Mutts and become inmates most of
> them aagama based rarely Vedantic.  They are as good as buddhist sanghams
>
> Vedaantic purushaarthas are clearly valid only for the Brahmins and who can
> deny that it has scriptural sanction.  Others have other purusharthas and
> that is how their guna-karmas are divined.
>
> Aren't we going back in circle again and again?
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <
> svidyasankar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > > I dont think there is an entry for the vidvat sadas for non-dvija
> > > saNyAsi-s in shrungeri tradition ( I may be wrong here!!)...Why I am
> > > saying this is, 4-5 years back, I had met one saNyAsi from vaishya
> > > janAnga, during vedAnta shibira at Holenarsipura, he was saying there
> is
> > > no entry for non-brAhmin sanyAsi-s to participate in the vidvat gOshTi.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me ask you, what are we talking about here? Whether a non-brAhmaNa
> >
> > can become a saMnyAsin or whether a non-brAhmaNa saMnyAsin may have
> >
> > the same level of textual learning as a traditionally schooled brAhmaNa
> >
> > saMnyAsin? Why mix up these issues?
> >
> >
> >
> > My comments were reserved for the first question alone. The latter is
> >
> > something on which there can be no general rule.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vidyasankar
> >
> >
> >
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