[Advaita-l] Sannyasa and Ramana (was Re: Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna)
sjayana at yahoo.com
Fri Oct 23 20:22:36 CDT 2009
--- On Fri, 10/23/09, D.V.N. Sarma <dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
> If that makes you feel that Bhagavan
> took sannyasa asrama
> I have no objection.
> I was under the impression that we are discussing
> sannyasa as a prerequisite to jnana. It was this
> sannyasa that the official of Sringeri mutt requested Sri
> to submit to. The custodians of Hindu dharma obviously did
> recognise Sri bhagavan as sannyasi.
You have been misinformed about Sringeri Math's opinion of Ramana Bhagavan:
"When Ramana was alive, almost all the traditional Advaita leaders
commended his attainment, including the Acharyas of Puri, Sringeri and
Kanchi, and there are records to prove it. The seniormost Sankaracharya
then, Swami Sivabhinava Narasimha Bharati of Sringeri, even told some
people that Ramana did not need to formally wear the sannyasin's ocher
robes, and to formally take the sannyasin initiation. That was a big issue
for traditional people in south Indian society. This has been reported
both in the Ramanashramam's magazine, The Mountain Path, and in Sringeri's
magazine, Tattvaloka. The very first issue of The Mountain Path carries a
benedictory message officially conveyed from Sringeri."
> I would like to point out to you that Kanchi Periyaval
> sent srimukhams to the brahmins who recited veda
> in the temple erected on the samadhi of Bhagavan's mother
> because according to the sastra women cannot take sannyasa
> and burrying them and installing linga on the samadhi is
> heretical.The brahmins later ignored the srimukhams.
> We do not understand the spirit of
> "na varnA na varNAsramAchAradharmaH.."
> in Sankara's Dasasloki.
> I think that no useful purpose is served by continuing this
> On 10/23/09, S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
> > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, D.V.N. Sarma <dvnsarma at gmail.com>
> >> On 10/22/09, S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, D.V.N. Sarma <dvnsarma at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Has anybody any information about
> >> >> vedic rishis like Vasishta,
> >> >> Vamadeva, Bhrigu, Viswamitra
> >> >> etc., taking sannyasa?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Apastamba Dharma Sutra 2.6.13 reads:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe02/sbe0248.htm
> >> >
> >> > 8. Transgression of the law and violence are
> >> amongst the ancient
> >> > (sages).
> >> > 9. They committed no sin on account of the
> >> of their lustre.
> >> > 10. A man of later times who seeing their
> >> follows them, falls.
> >> >
> >> Therefore as per this Bhagavan Ramana
> >> and sri Ramakrishna
> >> are fallen.
> > Extracts from Sri Ramana Leela, widely recognized as
> the most important
> > biography of Ramana Maharshi (first published in 1936
> while Bhagavan Ramana
> > was still living):
> > 1) Description of the Sannyasa of Ramana:
> > "The yagnopaveetam (sacred thread) is
> indicative of a
> > Brahmin birth and culture – this
> indicated that
> > Venkataraman was a Brahmin, son of
> Sundaram Iyer.
> > Henceforth he was the son of the
> Universal Father,
> > Arunachaleswara. He was beyond all
> caste distinctions.
> > The sacred thread could also cause a
> sense of superiority.
> > Hence, he got rid of it.
> > After his tonsure he did not want the
> luxury of a
> > bath, but would the guru
> Arunachaleswara allow any
> > violation of convention? Venkataraman
> took to sannyasa
> > in the midst of water. As he was
> returning to the temple,
> > there was a heavy downpour drenching
> him. The heavens
> > themselves provided the bath."
> > 2) Ramana Maharshi refers to his lifestyle as a
> > "Naturally the thieves
> > were disappointed and showed it; one
> of them raised a
> > stick and threatening Bhagavan, said
> “Where have you
> > kept all your money?” “We are
> poor sannyasis, we survive
> > on what others give us. We never had
> any money at all,”
> > said Bhagavan. However much the
> thieves pressed, that
> > was the only reply they could get.
> The thieves left
> > disappointed."
> >> regards,
> >> Sarma.
> > Regards,
> > Kartik
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