[Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 13 05:24:14 CDT 2009

I would like to explain a little more of what I wrote as follows:

"*The indication of the craving lies in the denying of the non-self (that he
assumes to be!)*."

If a person has concluded that he is 'non-self' which is the opposite of the
Self which is Sat-Chit-Ananda, then his conclusion indicates that he is
asat, achit and devoid of ananda.  If asat, achit and lack of Ananda is
one's nature then he cannot obtain the Sat, Chit and Ananada even if the
Guru he might have is the greatest maayaavi.  Why?  Because one's nature
will reject anything foreign to it.  That which you get will also be lost.
That which is your own will never be lost.  Thus if your own nature is not
Sat-Chit-Ananda then you will never get it.

Veda's declare that you are Aananda.  If it is not for the Veda we all would
have been lost in our ignorance.  It is because of the Veda that we have a
way out of this miserable samsaara.

This very basic Mahaavaakyas of the veda is the one that one has to grasp
before he aspires for release.

Is this too much to ask?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quote: " And that is not as easy or as common as people may like it to be."
> Thinking it is difficult is the greatest impediment.  Guru is indeed needed
> but the Guru is no substitute for the person who should first have the
> craving.  How can one crave if the intellect raises obstacles?
> The indication of the craving lies in the denying of the non-self (that he
> assumes to be!).
> Ramesh Krishnamurthyji rightly observed that the 'Turia' is nothing but the
> Aathman.  The three states of being (jaagrat etc.) are products of the Guna
> and the Thuria is beyond guna's grasp.
> Hence the guna only affects or determines a person's karma and bhogam but
> cannot stop him from attaining self-realization.  Self-realization is an
> inherent right of a person irrespective of what guna he possesses.  So a
> thaamasic person can be a realized soul.  Have you not read in the
> Mahabharatha that a Brahmana approached a meat-chopper for self-realization
> and our own Aadhi Sankara was taught AathmabhOtham by a chandala?
> This is where the 'humbleness' comes!
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian <
> rama.balasubramanian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Michael Shepherd
>> <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Ramesh, thanks, Most of the sages say the same -- the first taste of
>> samadhi
>> > can throw you off track.. but its honey becomes irresistible, and from
>> then
>> > on it's up to the individual to increase the dosage !
>> >
>> > Ramana says that the first experience of pure atman is that between
>> > thoughts; hence his vichara system.
>> >
>> > Would you agree that turiya/atman is closer to us than we pretend?
>> It is actually the other way around. Turiya is "further away" than
>> many of us like to pretend!
>> As Swami Vivekananda observed "99% of those who think they are saatvik
>> are steeped in the deepest of tamas". Thus we have people picking up
>> books and declaring themselves sampradayavits. Turiya is indeed
>> "close" for the pure-minded - those who have the four-fold
>> requirements and who have humbly approached an actual guru. And that
>> is not as easy or as common as people may like it to be.
>> Rama
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