[Advaita-l] Women and Vedas
gerkoekkoek at wanadoo.nl
Wed Apr 5 18:19:52 CDT 2006
A few days ago I wrote that in the ideas around Maya (and the Supreme Truth
or Brahman) there is a pearl in your tradition. It would be a good thing
when somewhere in future this ideas will become the centre of science in the
way the number 0 became the worldwide centre of all mathematics. (This
number was an Indian idea also.) Here you have an important thing to do that
even could save the world from a too early selfdistruction!
(Without a philosophy that is at one hand strong and firm and at the other
hand is open, free and completely transcendental, and above all, is also
true, the world goes down in all kinds of different ideas and all kinds of
wildgroing sorts of agression. Science until now was very succesfull in many
ways, but for this problem it has no answer at all!)
But when I read in this mailbox about women and tradition, well, there you
can learn something from the west. Many of the best talks I had about
adwaita was with a woman with a very sharp intelligence and a very awake
alertness, and a very good heart. And that are the qualities that are
needed, it has nothing to do with gender. And if your tradition sais
something different in this matter, well, this time your tradition is wrong!
----- Original Message -----
From: "hemang Chamakuzhi Subramanian" <hemangcs at rediffmail.com>
To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: [Advaita-l] Women and Vedas
Sanjay, That was an Awesome Story..Really enjoyed the part where you said "
That is the way its always done"...Heard that many times earlier.
What about those portions of the smArta literature
>which directly or indirectly hint women performing
>shrauta karma-s? I am not not talking about the wife
>participating in yAgA-s along with husband.
>I am sure people have come across enough references on
If any of us remember high school history textbooks, when the great western
scholars purported Aryans to be living on swiss lakes Recently BBC came out
with a report saying that swamiji's (prediction) was true and still our high
school history text books claim that the Indian race descended from Swiss
A similar analogy can be put forward to all modern literature regarding most
of the Puranas, Smritis, etc, that are translated unscruplously.
In fact during the course of research, several manuscripts of the puranas,
and smritis contained passages that were inserted, that enforced certain
rituals, which we follow blindly to date. In fact in one of the versions of
ManuSmriti, I came across a verse that mentioned "pouring molten lead into
a shudra's ear if he listens to the Vedas"..
Could Manu have written this? and still expected "Dharma" to continue. How
could a dharma that proclaims ahimsa to suddenly become ruthless that too
for something so trivial.
Anyway, who knows the intentions for these insertions, and their
antecedents. To me it looks like some incompetent folks wanted to maintain
control over society, so went and inserted this and claimed it to have come
Now to some serious-talk,
To indeed really know what is truth, what is not truth as far as the
scriptures go, realize it from an Enlightened master(guru). Even your
parents, grandparents, etc. can teach you traditions, but not the truth..
Note, if the goal is to reach the highest, the stature of the master should
be that one has reached the ultimate. Else, if a person is satisfied by just
learning,understanding or chanting, anyone could be considered a
teacher(acharya). A subtle difference is that the Guru gives the Diksha ->
Or the ability to percieve beyond the Dhi(intellect) whereas the acharya
gives you the Shiksha(Knowledge with discipline). In India, there are really
so many of these enlightened beings...
How do you know when you see your guru? Your heart swells with gratitude and
opens out like the sky, and you just sit in wonder at the expanse of it.
Anyways, the choice is not your own...it is that of the Guru's...
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