Dvaita and Sophistry - Part 2(Reality and Unreality)
K Kathirasan NCS
kkathir at NCS.COM.SG
Thu Mar 13 22:08:11 CST 2003
Although we Advaitins disagree with the Dwaitins' interpretations of the
scriptures, but that is no reason for us to disrespect them. The dwaitins
and the visishtaadvaitins both look at the Vedas as pramana and with
reverence. Therefore we are all part of Sanatana Dharma and there is a place
for everyone in this Dharma. Hence disrespecting an acharya or any mahatma
amounts to sin or papa. Therefore, as advaitins we should set an example by
learning to follow values preached by us and also echoed in the Bhagavad
gita chapter 13.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: venkatramanan krishnan [SMTP:venky_krishnan at YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:54 AM
> To: ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG
> Subject: Re: Dvaita and Sophistry - Part 2(Reality and Unreality)
> hi ,
> Well, Kalyan, you really have proved a point,
> haven't you? What great philosophers failed to do in
> all these years and in so many forums, you have
> succeeded(and quite emphatically so) in exposing the
> sophistries of DWAITA with just this single posting.
> I must say u have opened my eyes. And please do throw
> a few more trash philosophies into the dustbin.
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:20:26 +0000
> From: kalyan chakravarthy <kalyan_kc at HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Dvaita and Sophistry - Part 2(Reality and
> TO MY FELLOW ADVAITINS
> Now we all Advaitins, know that Maya is anirvachaniya,
> as it is neither
> real, nor unreal, nor both real and unreal, nor
> neither of the two. But
> see, a Dvaitin boasts of something called *valid
> perception* and says
> there can be only two things, real or unreal. Please
> allow me to take
> pleasure of exposing the sophistry behind the
> Dvaitin's arguments.
> In the Part 1, we have already seen that prameya#3
> collapses. Now we
> take a look at prameya#3 again.
> The pseudo-logical web-site www.dvaita.org claims that
> the entities
> real the differences are also real.
> QUESTION 1.
> What if one of the entities in unreal and the other is
> ANSWER 1.
> Why should I answer this question?
> QUESTION 2.
> How else will you differentiate the real and unreal?
> If you cannot
> this question, then the difference between the real
> and unreal is not
> addressed and so Dvaita can be thrown into the
> dustbin. And mind you,
> difference is not just a difference in properties. No
> more boastings of
> Dvaita being a complete or logical philosophy.
> ANSWER 3.
> OK. OK. I say the difference between the real entity
> and unreal entity
> inherent to the entity.
> QUESTION 4.
> Which entity? The real one or the unreal one. In Part
> 1, we have seen
> the difference between entity 1 and entity 2 being
> equivalent, if this
> difference is inherent to the first entity, then it
> must be inherent to
> REPLY 4.
> OK. The difference between the real and unreal is
> inherent to both the
> and unreal entities.
> QUESTION 5.
> As this difference is inherent to the real entity, the
> difference is
> And as the difference is inherent to the unreal
> entity, the difference
> unreal. So, is this difference real or unreal?
> Remember that Dvaita
> does not
> accept any stage of reality other than the real and
> the unreal. So,
> according to Dvaita, what is this difference?
> IS THE DIFFERENCE REAL OR UNREAL?
> NOW TO MY FELLOW ADVAITINS
> Now my friends, dont you think that the sophistry of
> Dvaita in
> things to be only real or only unreal is exposed? Even
> by their own
> pseudo-logic, they directly arrive at an entity, which
> is other than
> and also other than the unreal. Thus, the Dvaitin is
> deceiving himself
> he says that there is no such thing as "neither real
> nor unreal, nor
> nor neither".
> THUS DVAITA CAN BE THROWN INTO THE DUSTBIN.
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