[Advaita-l] Causal Body

Srikrishna Ghadiyaram srikrishna_ghadiyaram at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 6 21:22:42 CDT 2003

Hari Om !!

Today I was listening to Swami Dayananda and he
mentioned Pratyaksha Pramana is two kinds. 1. Sense
Perception 2. Witness perception which includes
perceptions of mental emotions and Time and Space.

So, based on the above definition Time and Space are
not axiomatic knowledge.

Om Namo Narayanaya !!


--- kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> --- Jay Nelamangala <jay at r-c-i.com> wrote:
> > What about the sense of touch.  What do you touch
> when you
> > touch a towel?.  Its attributes?.
> > 
> > You touch the upAdAna fibres of the towel,  which
> is the
> > substantive.   So how can you say each sense can
> only sense the
> > qualities and not substantive?
> > 
> > Please clarify.
> >
> What is the upaadaana of towel -Let us examine the
> towel carefully - All
> it has is bunch of fibers? -Let us examine fibers - 
> What is upaadaana
> of fibers? Cotton? What is the upaadaana of cotton? 
> - The molecular
> chains? What is the upaadaana of molecular chains?
> The molecules and
> what is the upaadaana of the molecules - the atoms?
> And what is the
> upaadaana of the atoms? The electrons and protons
> and what are the
> upaadaana of those?  You are getting in to messy
> situation of the very
> observer affecting the system? You can not tell me
> what is upaadaana of
> towel, and for that matter, for any matter in the
> universe, if you want
> to examine the system. Ultimately no substantive can
> be ever defined
> precisely that is way you have to have a vyavahaaric
> satyam - so that
> you can carry your rice bags without any problem - a
> temporal basis for
> purpose of transactions - what is right knowledge
> you asked me - which
> part in the above is the right knowledge of the
> towel? Each is
> relatively valid in its sphere but sublated when you
> go to next level.
> That is why we have relative knowledge and absolute
> knowledge - satyasya
> satyam.  
> What part of the upaadaana of your towel you are
> touching jay?  Which
> upaadaana aspect the sense of touch is going to tell
> you? It is going to
> tell only that you can measure by your capacity of
> sense of touch.  -
> The relative softness, hardness, roughness, the
> sense of strain in you
> hands in carrying your rice bags - since you can go
> with your sense of
> touch at  most upto the cotton level and may not be
> more. 
> Well I am planning to write up and wrap up all the
> issues that have been
> raised hopefully in the weekend on the
> epistemological issues involved.
> Hari OM!
> Sadananda
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> with what you have is your gift to Him - Swami
> Chinmayananda.
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