brahmavid=Krishna
Vidyasankar
vsundaresan at HOTMAIL.COM
Sat Aug 31 20:04:19 CDT 2002
>> teachers of Vedanta have much to tell us about
>> brahman and reality. That is
>> enough.
>
>Not for me, unfortunately.
So the absurd tests like running 100 m in 2s or freezing water by boiling
are more reliable?
>It is not meaningless whether he controls or not. Was
>Krishna's ability to cause an eclipse during the
>Kurukshetra war meaningless? Was Narasimha's ability
>to emerge from a pillar meaningless? Or is that all
>nonsense in the Shrutis?
Ah, that was out of his own desire or out of the fruition of karma, not
because somebody asked for it. Prahlada didn't ask Vishnu to come out of
the pillar and kill Hiranyakashipu. Rather, when Hiranyakashipu denied that
Vishnu was in that pillar, and broke it apart, Vishnu appeared in the form
of Narasimha, neither man nor animal. Arjuna didn't ask Krishna to cause an
eclipse out of turn, in order to prove that Krishna was Brahman. Rather the
conditions of the war demanded something and Krishna did something. There
is a world of difference between what you propose and what the legends say.
Best wishes,
Vidyasankar
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From: Venkatraman.Chandrasekaran at NOKIA.COM
Subject: Re: Consciousness during coma,death
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Dear Roger,
Are you meaning that "yes.. it's void after death just like coma =
state"? If
so, then it does not explain to me the rebirth of an unrealised *soul* =
(the subtle
body).
I am not yet clear through your mail. Please clarify further with =
your thoughts.
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Thanks.
-chandrasekaran.
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-----Original Message-----
From: ext Roger Floyd [mailto:Slowfork at AOL.COM]
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:40 PM
To: ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG
Subject: Re: Consciousness during coma,death
Dear Chandrasekaran, group
Namaskar
In a message dated 31/08/02 21:32:39 W. Europe Daylight Time, =
Venkatraman.Chandrasekaran at NOKIA.COM writes:
To pose my doubt in a single sentence,=20
How should I convince myself that once I die, there won't be the =
same void that
I experience during coma?
Realisation as much as the death of the body is the end of you. By "you" =
I mean the ever fearful, ever searching, ever striving ego/mind which =
blunders uncertainly on in a state of perpetual existential crisis.This =
is the unpalatable truth that all of us ordinary mortals have to learn =
to confront. The opportunity that this lifetime presents is to cease to =
identify with the ego/mind or the body and to wake up to our true =
nature which is Brahman, a consciousness which is non-dual and timeless =
and to which the state of the body is irrelevant.The jivanmukhta is =
never unconscious in the sense of deep sleep, coma or death. Of course, =
his consciousness of the world is not the same as ours either.
Hari Om
Roger=20
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Roger,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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it does</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
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not explain to=20
me the rebirth of an unrealised </FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
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subtle</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>body).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2> I am not yet clear through your mail. Please =
clarify=20
further with your thoughts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D901202804-01092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2> Thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D901202804-01092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2> -chandrasekaran.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ext Roger Floyd=20
[mailto:Slowfork at AOL.COM]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 31, 2002 2:40 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
Consciousness during coma,death<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>Dear Chandrasekaran,=20
group<BR><BR>Namaskar<BR><BR>In a message dated 31/08/02 21:32:39 W. =
Europe=20
Daylight Time, Venkatraman.Chandrasekaran at NOKIA.COM writes:<BR><BR>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">To pose my doubt in a single sentence, =
<BR> How=20
should I convince myself that once I die, there won't be the same void =
that<BR> I experience during=20
coma?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Realisation as much as the death of the body =
is the=20
end of you. By "you" I mean the ever fearful, ever searching, ever =
striving=20
ego/mind which blunders uncertainly on in a state of perpetual =
existential=20
crisis.This is the unpalatable truth that all of us ordinary mortals =
have to=20
learn to confront. The opportunity that this lifetime presents is to =
cease to=20
identify with the ego/mind or the body and to wake up to our true =
nature=20
which is Brahman, a consciousness which is non-dual and timeless and to =
which=20
the state of the body is irrelevant.The jivanmukhta is never unconscious =
in the=20
sense of deep sleep, coma or death. Of course, his consciousness of the =
world is=20
not the same as ours either.<BR><BR>Hari Om<BR><BR>Roger</FONT>=20
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