Kiran B R
kiranbr at ROCKETMAIL.COM
Fri Aug 16 15:25:52 CDT 2002
Is there any way in which I can change the laws of
If the answer is no, why is such an incapability in
If yes, what is that way?
--- Srikrishna Ghadiyaram
<srikrishna_ghadiyaram at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Hari Om !!
> > --- Kiran B R <kiranbr at ROCKETMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > > It is clear to me that through the destruction
> > > avidyA it is possible for a braHmavid to attain
> > the
> > > braHman to whom satya, jnana and anatatva are
> > > attributed.
> Satyam, Jnana, Atnata are not attributes for
> Satyam is Brahman; Jnanam is Brahman; Anantam is
> >However, it is not clear to me if the
> > > braHmavid can do anything wonderful in this
> > material
> > > world at all. I mean, do his powers in the
> > material
> > > world remain as limited as they were before the
> > > removal of the veil of avidyA?
> Per Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's talks, Ashta Siddhis
> are different from Jnana, and are easier to achieve.
> As long as one is in the process of acquiring
> one is in the material world. Such mere Siddhas do
> have Jnana (oneness with ALL). However, a Jnani
> have passed through the stage of 'Siddhis' in which
> case he MAY choose to display such 'magics' in
> world. But, a Jnani may not have acquired Ashta
> Siddhis, because it was not his aim.
> (I can be a Doctor, without being a Cardiologist,
> right ?)
> >If the braHmavid
> > was
> > > an
> > > athlete and he could complete 100m in 10s in a
> > state
> > > of avidyA, can he do it in, let's say 2s when
> > > avidyA is removed?
> > >
> If it not 'displaying' such such super-human powers,
> what do you think of the immesurable spiritual
> transformation that is brought about by Bhagavan
> Ramana or Mata Amritanandamayi or many other saints
> our tradition ? Just, stop specifics of your 100m
> and think openly, and you will feel the 'wonder' in
> this material world they are bringing about.
> > > If the entire universe is the maayaa of the
> > braHman,
> > > it is clear that the braHmavid has the entire
> > maayaa
> > > in his command.
> This should be interpreted that 'mAyA' does not
> the 'Jnani', and cause happiness and sorrow based on
> external objects.
> >The entire universe is a game he
> > > plays, and he is free to choose the laws that
> > govern
> > > this game. If he chooses, he can see to it that
> > when
> > > we wake up tomorrow, water when heated actually
> > > turns
> > > into ice - and this, for everybody in the world
> > > know.
> > >
> Yes, the Law is already chosen. Rather you should
> that LAW is Iswara. Why do you expect Him to change
> per your interpretation ?
> > > Now to the questions:
> > >
> > > Question 1: Am I right in the above analysis?
> > > the
> > > braHmavid have this sort of control over the
> > > material
> > > world which is all his maayaa? Can he change
> > > example) the rules of Physics (which are well
> > within
> > > maayaa) as we know?
> > >
> Physics is ISWARA, which we are trying to
> > > Question 2: If yes, where and in which
> > is
> > > there mention of such powers being gained by the
> > > braHmavid?
> > >
> At least you can find several references in
> Yoga Sutras (leaving aside Yoga Vs Jnana debate). By
> mere will things happen, that is what Yoga Sutras
> > > Question 3: If not, does it mean that the
> > braHmavid,
> > > with his braHmavidyaa, has still to bow to
> > > And
> > > hence that we cannot equate the braHmavid to
> > braHma?
> > > And does that mean a flaw in Advaita?
> > >
> You are still at a lower level of interpretation. We
> must think that 'Brahmavid' means who understands
> own nature to be that ONE, which is beyond time,
> place, causation; There is no mAyA 'for him' which
> working as MIND and causing the sorrows and
> to others.
> Om Namo Narayanaya !!
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