Keeping Shikha [was Re: Sannyasins & cutting of the hair?]
K Kathirasan NCS
kkathir at NCS.COM.SG
Sun Aug 11 20:20:46 CDT 2002
Please keep your personal attacks out of this list. If you have a problem
with Jagannathji's lifestyle it's your problem. Thank you.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srikrishna Ghadiyaram [SMTP:srikrishna_ghadiyaram at YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:24 PM
> To: ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG
> Subject: Re: Keeping Shikha [was Re: Sannyasins & cutting of the
> Hari Om !!
> I had to be harsh to point your wrong thinking.
> --- Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > --- Srikrishna Ghadiyaram
> > <srikrishna_ghadiyaram at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > > Hari Om !!
> > >
> > > What do you call this fallacy !!
> > >
> > > The above statements are not only EGOTIC, but also
> > > ARROGANT.
> > I am neither Srikrishnaji. These are of course my
> > views on the subject. In my childhood days I was
> > both
> > deeply religious and also an atheist.
> What do you call the above statements ??? Are they
> words of your EGO or your Atman ??? (if it speaks !!)
> Any thing that you say, 'I am this , I am that' is all
> your EGO. You were just explaining, "about a Sanyasi,
> thinking of his sanyasihood". similarly, you have your
> own impressions of your religioushood, atheisthood
> etc. You are not beyond "I am this" views. When this
> is strong and not open minded, a stronger word is
> EGOTIC, and arrogant.
> You can not be religious by thowing away the same
> religious tenets. I sympathise, your health related
> problems. Probably, it was because of that, that your
> parents wanted to make sure you were on a higher
> spiritual and religious life and stop worrying about
> 'physical problems' only.
> > Here was a child who was raring to go the
> > spiritual way but had to face obstructions every
> > inch
> > of the path.
> Because you had conflict (where in you were inclined
> to spiritualism) you chose not to have a sikha or wear
> the Holy thread !! Does it sound sensible, at least
> now ?? Do you need to correct yourself atleast, if you
> agree that your childhood actions were wrong and
> misplaced ?
> > > Consider the otherside of the view, What is wrong
> > in
> > > having an outward sign if that represents your
> > inner
> > > conviction ?????
> > There is absolutely nothing wrong in that but the
> > outward sign must be commensurate with the inner
> > conviction. An imbalance may be very dangerous.
> Who are you fooling ?? Instead of changing your outer
> signs to reflect your inner spiritual traditions, you
> chose to give up hidden Holy Thread to match WHAT ????
> It is matching neither your social identification or
> inner spiritual urge !!
> > >
> > > In the process you have hurt your parents, your
> > > teachers, and followers and dharma.
> > I don't have any followers though many of my friends
> > do seek my suggestions (only suggestions mark it).
> > My
> > parents, my teacher and the dharma were surely hurt.
> > But both my parents and teacher were very patient
> > with
> > me. Moreover my horoscope also indicated a deeply
> > religious trend. This was their sole hope.
> If you believe you hurt your dharma, you can correct
> it now !!
> > I still think a thousand times before even hurting a
> > fly. My compassionate nature is a boon to my
> > friends.
> This is your own blown-up image of yourself. Who cares
> abouot your compassionate nature ???? The BOON GIVER
> is the almighty Lord Narayana !! Do not build up your
> false EGO as a 'compassionate soul' and get trapped.
> None in the world is helpless to seek or depend on
> your compassion. You are just a tool in His hands.
> Feel greatful that you are getting a chance to serve
> as His instrument. (I am writing this to chip off your
> EGO, which you are failig to understand, use them as a
> substitute to rationalise your failings elsewhere ).
> Even 'I do not have EGO' itself is a notion. Right ??
> > I am especially very much hurt while coming across
> > the
> > atrocities heaped on the have-nots.
> There are several views on this subject. It is not
> important now. You need to confine your domain.
> Because have-nots are undergoing atrocities, do not
> throw away your 'Jandhyam', stop searching the meaning
> of Gayatri, and be an important messenger of
> 'Spirituality' to the people around you ???
> > This is the sole
> > reason I speak out against the varnashrama.
> Speaking against discrimination is not a jsutification
> for disowning your varnadharma.
> > We
> > trample
> > upon the very people who were instrumental to our
> > progress.
> Who is this "WE" ?
> "whose" progress ?
> Social duties are distinct from your souls progress
> oriented activities.
> Om Namo Narayanaya !!
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