Theory of Re-birth
goode at DPW.COM
Fri Feb 13 09:42:30 CST 1998
At 05:04 PM 2/12/98 -0330, Gummuluru Murthy wrote:
> What I mean to say is, jeevanmukta still sees the body
> going through the various stages (deep sleep, death etc) but considers
> them to be unreal and not part of the Brahman which he/she is). This
> particular viewpoint is supported by Shri RamaNa's quote given by Greg
> earlier "death and sleep are the same, but the sleep is short and the
> death is long".
[ ... ]
> I wonder if Greg can give me the exact reference to Shri RamaNa's
> statement, in what context it was made and where it appeared. I am
> curious why death is considered long and sleep is considered short.
At home last night I forgot to look up the quotation in Ramana's TALKS.
But on further reflection, I believe the context was as follows: a devotee
was asking Ramana the difference between the dream state and the waking
state. Some texts say they're just the same, others cite a small
difference here and there(see NOTE below). So Ramana said "Dream is short,
waking state is long." So I think I mis-remembered and mis-quoted Ramana.
The notion of death wasn't part of the question to Ramana. I apologize!
I'll look it up this weekend and report.
NOTE: About the difference between sleep and waking states, the best
analysis I've ever seen is given by Swami Nikhilananda in the Appendix Vol.
IV of his 4-volume set of collected Upanishads. In this essay, Swami
Nikhilananda argues cogently that the two states are just the same. His
technique is to give about 8 different arguments puporting to show why they
are DIFFERENT, then to show the invalidity of these arguments.
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